Need help on this barrel band

Hello!

My name's Matteo, I live in Italy, and I own a Rock-ola M1 early '44 I'm restoring to factory condition.

I'm writing beacuse I see you guys know a lot :thup:

I need some help to know if this barrel band that my m1 is mounting is fake or real.
It has no markings on it

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7/jjvaz7-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2cys31i-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7/vp9nk5-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../250i0w3-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../16awca8-1.jpg

my guess is it's a fake, since front and rear sights are fake also... :thdown:

thanks for your help!

Matteo

Hi; From what little I know I think it is real. It has a single / mark used on late production carbines. GK

Hello Shadycon

So that's little thing \ could be the mark? then it's a rock ola type 2 band used on 6.000.000 according to Riesch

Yes. Nice band.

Whats fake about the front sight?

Charlie-painter777

I am going to say real also. It looks like the inner part of the band is reccessed back a little and most fakes are flush. If you remove the screw see if after doing so the band has a spring to it with the screw removed or not. An original should have a spring action to it when compressed. Hope this makes sense to you. The one hash mark as mentioned is a good sign as stated. I have a IBM that has two slash marks. I am unsure who used a single hash mark one.

It is on a 4.58 Rock-ola. A little early but no way would I remove it.

I own a rock ola 4.58!!! I'm restoring it and was going to buy a barrel band type Ia to change the one in the pictures.

Now I'm sure I'll keep it.

The double slash bands were also used on later Inlands.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...Bandmark-1.jpg

Could you post some photos of your rear sight (both sides of it.) and your front sight too. It may not be fake and the front sight is most likely a real one but just may be for a differnt make of carbine.

Hello Bruce,
I can't take pics right now, but the rear sight I found on the carbine when I got it is a L shaped no marks, no S, soft metal with signs of flat screwdriver used to put it in place.
I already changed it with an original RR. The metal of the RR one is different, a lot harder.
Front sight is slightly marked RIA on the left side. I bought a RP machined front sight that I still have to install.
All my new pieces come from Roger Mickelson, so I'm sure they are original.

But I have another question for you, I'm returned yesterday from a great d-day trip in Normandy in which I visited some militaria seller including the famous AMS near Brussels.
Bhere I bought some piece hard to find here in Italy, and my dad bought this front barrel. Light in AMS was not so bright so trusting my eyes and the vendor he bought a type 2 AI barrel band. Home my dad discovered some signs (cutting or machining?) on the bb, so I ask you, what do you think?

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSCN0706-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSCN0705-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSCN0704-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSCN0703-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSCN0702-1.jpg
sorry for the little oversized pics

have a great day!

Matteo

It looks to be a cut type III :(

Another double struck AI - must be fairly common, at least on Type III's. - Bob

What a pity! thanks for help anyway I do appreciate a lot!

Matteo M.
In the last picture, you can see on the outter part where the saw got into it while cutting off the inside piece.

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Originally Posted by Bubba-7

In the last picture, you can see on the outter part where the saw got into it while cutting off the inside piece.

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yeah :(

Have a great day!