1891 Argintine Mauser carbine

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Productive day at the local gun show. 1st of three purchases. C prefixes serial numbered 1891 Argintine Mauser produced UND Mutinionsfabriken Berlin. Appears to have been refinished at some point (blue over small area of pitting on rear sighr base and barrel) with a rough stock.
Bore looks crisp and clean. Front barrel band/sling attachment point as well as the bayo lug have been deleted. If anyone could provide any detail on this rifle I would appreciate it as it is the first I have seen. Production date? Could the missing bits be armory work (holes doweled nicely)? Should I try to replace the missing parts? Very handy looking little rifle. I originaly thought it to be some kind of trainer or cadet rifle due to its small size.

You have a M1891 Cavalry Carbine. No missing parts. It did not accept a bayonet. The only sling attachment was a single loop underneath the wrist. The rider wore a belt with a big clip that attached to the loop. It didn't use a shoulder sling like an infantry rifle. Some Cavalry Carbines were modified in 1931 to mount a special bayonet and to use a shoulder sling. These were known as M1891/31 Engineer's Carbines. DWM C-series production was spread across three production years from 1899-1901 (1-5999 in 99; 6000-9589 in 00; and, 9560-9999 in 01). These are really nice little carbines.

The stock # does not match the other serial numbers and has a factory looking patch plate where the wrist sling attachment point should be and the (engineers configuration ?) sling mounting point on the side of the butt. Perhaps a mixmaster. But it is dimutlively cool! Should I attempt to restore/convert it to one or the other configuration or leave it as is?

I'd have to see the "patch plates" before I'd decide on that. If it is something that looks done by an armory, I might leave it alone but then again, you would expect them to have sling attachments for military service no matter what.

Stock probably is not original and may be a replacement using an engineers stock or it could be an engineers rifle with a cavalry nosecap.

I personally hate those little fillers of sling holes and have been trying to find an M95 sling attachment since I bought mine a few months ago.

If I can figure out how to delete some of my uploades photos (reached the 32mb max) I will post detailed photos.
You already have one! Darn I thought I was one up.

No, I don't have one. I would like to have one. I said I have an M95 that has the filled sling holes.

I don't know that I would want the Argentine carbine. They are nice but if I had my choice I'd go with the full length rifle. Couple of reasons, I like the looks better and most important I suppose, I already have the bayonet for one.

You need to get a photobucket account. I had 500 photos on there up until a few days ago when I deleted all but those I've posted on this site. I had a bunch for another history site that I haven't visited in a few years and got rid of them. I wasn't anywhere near my max with the 500 photos.

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No, I don't have one. I would like to have one. I said I have an M95 that has the filled sling holes.

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Sorry I was reading quickley due to gun show exaustion. I will see if I can get the photo issue resolved as I would love some input.

I discovered Photobucket will allow pretty much unlimited photos for freebies if you use the site enough. Not something expected- they just did the upgrade. So there's probably over 3000 of my photos there in various albums, sub-albums, and sub-sub-albums!

I always get weak kneed when confronted with a really nice cav. carbine. Especially one like that (made by Loewe, the place that made the Lugers, just down the road from where I live). It´s very much like my M `71 Mauser cav. carbine. A sign of cavalry usage is usually the saddle ring, either somewhere near the trigger guard or the front band. Wonder how it shoots?

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Wonder how it shoots?

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Yet to be determined. Discovered upon closer examination (after my excitement ove finding such a cute little Mauser) the bold had been incorrectley assembled and the firing pin was protruding past the bolt face in the un cocked position. Fixed that after a bit of googling (this thing does not come apart easily like a k98) but with the firing pin screwed in all the way it is still flush with the bold face in the uncocked position and protrudes .062" when you rotate the saftey/cocking piece portion of the bolt ccw slightly until it clicks. I have some concern about pericing a primer. Any thoughts?

Is the firing pin correctly numbered to the other parts? It could well be a replacement.

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Is the firing pin correctly numbered to the other parts? It could well be a replacement.

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No numbers on bolt or firing pin that I can see.I did a bit of research last night and may have found the problem. After reading some post here and elswere and examineing the bolt closely it appears as though the cocking piece has dented the contact surface at the rear surfice of the bolt body to the point that the tip of the firing pin may protrude to far forward. New old stock bolt bodies are avaliable for about 30$ so I may try one. Opinions? Cautions?

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

I'd have to see the "patch plates" before I'd decide on that. If it is something that looks done by an armory, I might leave it alone but then again, you would expect them to have sling attachments for military service no matter what.

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Ok here are some photos of the patch plate and the doweled repairs of the Engineer carbine conversion reconversion? Still in a bit of a quandry. Should I engineer it,calvery it, or leave it?
Engineer may be difficult as I do not see any barrel bands or nose pieces around.Any thought on thee bolt/firing pin issue?

The patch plate doesn't look bad. Looks official as does the other repair. The lack of a nose piece may dictate what you can do with it.

Sorry I can't help with the firing pin. I haven't taken any of my Mauser bolts apart.

I am thinking leave it for now and perhaps keep an eye out for the conversion bits (if they come my way perhaps it was ment to be) but then I need a bayonet . Unless I get some other input on the fireing pin issue I think I will order one of the NOS bolts as they are cosmeticly superior to the scratched up unserialized one in the rifle and perhaps I will kill two birds with one bolt.