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I did not saw in person this M1911-A1 yet, the seller said this gun is an Ithaca, S/N 1095263 well, if you look the number, the way it is printed, and the number looks like to be an US&S or a Colt, but I do not think as an Ithaca.
What's your opinion?
Thanks for feedback. :)
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I agree with your thoughs about the way the number is struck. The RR is supposed to be NO. isn't it?
The frame on the pistol shown is US&S.
Remington Rand used both No ("o" underlined) and NO. serial number prefixes.
Thanks Scott that's what I thought, and like all US&S there is no crossed cannon stamped on right side, and normally US&S were finish in Du-Lite on the picture looks like more as being Parkerised.
Hard to find around here a M1911-A1 with frame and slide matching.
I'll go tomorrow to have a look on this pistol, I'll tell you more after having an examination on it.
But If I got lucky maybe the slide in an US&S...
I read somewhere that on fields during WWII on some warehouses when they dismantle to clean M1911-A1 they sometimes reassembled them with another slide and others!!!
In that time this gun was just a service arm that will keep them alive in Case not a collector like today.
Yes, you are right. It was just a standard service weapon. I think most pistols that have been mismatched were probably mismatched in later years, but obviously there were some that were mismatched early on during the war. On Colt pistols that had matching numbered slides, there are cases where slide and receiver numbers are very close...within 10 numbers often. Those are almost assuredly wartime mismatched guns.
Nearly every pistol that went through an arsenal rebuild ended up being mismatched. No attempt was made to keep pistol parts together. Often today, we see assembled pistols with mated parts that just aren't original. Those are normally examples of collectors trying to put the "original" back in them. Very much like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Once it's out...it's out! :)
I've been always impressed Scott by your knowledges on all this past period, and on this marvelous firearms the M1911-A1.
M. John Moses Browning having invented 128 gun patents would be more as happy and proud to know as today his guns are well alive.
I'm now very well concerned on collecting the M1911-A1, because it's so interesting, so many parameters, and stories etc... That fill up my interest on this pistol.
I wish we know more and more about this pistol, I'm sure every collectors on this site will like to know the whole story of their guns.
That's why a gun with papers and background story are very valuable today. Impossible here in Europe to trace a story gun.
Indeed the left side of the receiver has the initials RCD this confirm a US&S frame, and the slide is an Ithaca, the barrel is a HS (Hight Standard) with English marking on top of the chamber, BNP .452 .900 7 TONSPER", but no BMP on receiver and slide, Its just a assemblage gun.
On the left side of the frame we have AA for (Augusta Arsenal) :wave::)
Is that possible that when a gun went to any Arsenal to redone, they mismatched parts like Slides/Frame/Hammer/ Grips....?
The barrel marking dates to 1955 or later, so the barrel was put in after it left the military.
When a pistol went in for rebuild it was torn down completely, and no attempt was made to keep the original slide and receiver together. Ordnance took great pains to assure that the parts were interchangeable just so they could be swapped around.
Thanks Johnny Peppers,
Thanks to collectors who brought this pistol to be a collector piece as well as all books on it. :thup:
Mikecp, not only that I live in your neighbour-country, I have a spare US&S slide around aswell. Please let me know if we can switch this one back to the original manufacturer :) . Send me a PM, I'm pretty sure we can arrange!