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I saw this RR M1911-A1 for sale, well on these pictures, we can see this 1944 pistol has been send to RIA (Rock Island Armory) Is this gun lost his value for that. And what they normally do at the Arsenal, just clean or re-parkerizing, or just check the gun.
What your opinion and advice for this gun sold at $1000.00.
Thanks to all. :)
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The pictures that were up looked like the Ithaca in an earlier thread.
Well I do not know, It's what I received on my e-mail today! Following a research for M1911A1.
The pistol doesn't appear to be in too bad of condition. It looks like it is marked "RIA" only, so it went through Rock Island Arsenal well after WWII ended. I suspect it was refurbished at that time, but there isn't enough detail in the photos to say for sure. Markings still look nice and sharp. So...? Here in the U.S., that would probably sell in the $1K+/- price range based on the photos. The value of a refurbished pistol is reduced, compared to one that is all original finish with correct parts.
Thanks for your comments Scott, well the gun is now in Switzerland, so it means after the WWII this gun went back to US at RIA, and send again to Switzerland, very hard to know...
Just a thing, as I do not know much, what you mean by $1K+/- means 1000.00 more or less?
Anyway better to find a one without any arsenal marking, but It's a hard work to find a pistol with correct parts.
The photos that were up before it was edited. It now has Remington Rand photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikecp
I'm so sorry Johnny Peppers my English is not so good, I do not know what you mean about my pictures.
I'm living in the French part of Switzerland, so French...
Yes, $1000 more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikecp
About this M1911A1 refurbished at RIA we often can see beside inspectors initials like FK or other but not all the times!
Was it a habit on that kind of pistol that the serial number was misaligned after the NO
About the serial number misalignment after NO. for the M1911A1 Remington rand I checked the followings;
Until 1000xxx +/- the S/N are aligned from NO.
From 1300xxx to 1800xxx +/- serial number misalignment down NO.
From 1890xxx +/- S/N aligned to NO. to the end in 1945
Have you remarked this change of marking numbers.
The NO. was put on the receiver before the serial number. After completion the serial number was applied, and this being done at two different times accounts for some of the misalignment.
This photo shows that the UNITED STATES PROPERTY and NO. were applied before the receiver was sandblasted and phosphate finished, and the serial number was applied after.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../10mpnjq-1.jpg
And even when they did manage to get the serial numbers align relatively well with the s/n prefix, the indexing machines used to number didn't always line up the individual numbers.
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Remington Rand experienced other problems as well, especially early in production. This early Du-Lite blue 2nd slide address pistol apparently had the hole for the magazine release button punched with too large a diameter. They managed to close up the diameter of the hole to attain proper fit by using a punch to drive the steel inward. Notice the punch marks are under the original blue finish.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2nb4n7l-1.jpg
Remington Rand wasn't the only manufacturer who had problems. All the makers experienced some issues periodically. On this Ithaca, the UNITED STATES PROPERTY and serial number prefix were rolled on way too low to begin with. That didn't look too bad...until they got around to stamping the serial number. The serial number is stamped where it normally goes. Look at all the space above the USP. Things just happened. As long as the pistols had a legible serial number and all the required markings, there was some tolerance for mistakes.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2z4wu15-1.jpg
Thanks a lot for your very interesting infos, probably during this period end '43/'44 from 1300000 +/- until 1800000 +/- they did not care for such placement.
It concern only few of these RR, before and after the alignment was correct, maybe the armory crews fault. Who knows!
Its just a detail without importance that I've been remarked after having saw a lot of pictures. :thup: :)