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A friend of a friend says he's got 1500 rounds of carbine ammo. He's going to let me know what type it is in the next few days. Question here is what's it worth, low-end figure - middle figure??? Will probably have to make offer on the spot. Thanks, Gene
Commercial brass cased Carbine ammo (WW, RP, Magtech, etc.) runs $26 to $30 a box for FMJ, and can be had for $450/1,000. WOLF, Herters steel cased, TULAMMO steel are terrible. I chipped an extractor with Wolf. The Russian steel cased are dirty, inconsistent, inaccurate, and unreliable. I got 1.000 Wolf cheap, chipped an extractor with the first box, terrible groups and FTFs, and sold 950 rounds off.
Magtech is the hottest at about 2,020 fps, Then Remington and Winchester at about 1920-1940 fps, then PRVI at about 1900 fps. Aguilla is underpowered (1800 fps), shoots low, and does not cycle well unless the spring is worn (10" or less).
Just be sure the boxes are not marked 7.62 MM. That would be the fake Chinese LC 52 that is corrosive primed. USGI would be in the $20 range more if it's on stripper clips. Any brass case commercial ammo should be in the $20 to $30 range per box of 50. You can find Aguila for about $17 a box plus shipping if you look around.
But as imarangemaster said stay away from the steel case no matter who makes it. Junk ammo with almost all of it coming out of Russian.
Thanks for the info, appreciate it. I'm not a big shooter but I think I'll be able to get them pretty cheap. Thanks Again, Gene
2 weeks ago I bought 500 loose rounds of LC43 ammo for .27/round. The guy I bought it from has approx. 500 more rounds at home that he is also going to sell me when he picks it up during Thanksgiving.:super:
Has anybody tried Hornady Steel Match?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
From what I understand, Hornady buys the primed steel cases from Russia (Ulyvostok). I know steel cased ammo was made by the US during WWII, but I understood it was fairly soft steel and just used for training stateside. I have one .45 and one M1 Carbine with steel cases in my collection.
Been having mucho problem with this site, not sure why, but I finally managed to login to post tonight. What's "terrible" about TULAMMO? I shot a box this weekend at the range, full auto, flawless, and while it is a bit sooty, for the price I ain't complaining
MY personal experience was with Wolf 30 Carbine. Group size was 3X the US brass cased ammo, and I had a number of FTF even in 15 round magazines. In a USGI 30 (AI split back) it would not feed at all for the first 1/3 of the magazine. I have shot lots of Russian steel ammo in AKs and it works great.
Guys selling it at the gun shows tell me that Tula and Wolf come out of the exact same factory. I broke an extractor a few years ago using Wolf and did notice it was a little dirtier. My older brother shoots mainly Wolf and Tula in his CMP Inland, and about the only problems I've seen with his were a couple of rounds that fizzled (literally) because the primers were in sideways. The accuracy seems good with his, we were both busting clay pigeons easily at 50-55 yds. It makes sense that the Hornady cases are Russian. - Bob
My experience was around years ago after they just offered it. They may have improved it some since then.
The only advantage of steel cased ammo over brass cased is the price but remember you get what you pay for. Steel does not expand well to fill the chamber. The extractor does take a beating compared to brass and a collectible extractor is getting harder to find and the cost is very high. The steel case is dirty so more cleaning is needed. It's also not as accurate in most carbines. I have found some brands are advertised as being 110 gr. bullets and when checked were only 100 grs in weight so someone in Russia is making some extra rubles on the side. Even the Hornady is being made in Russia. Russian quality control can leave a lot to be desired.
As to the brass it is a bit more in price but it is reloadable and if you don't reload you can always sell it to someone who does as the fired brass is always in demand. At worst you can scrap it and get some of your money back which brings the over all total closer to the steel case which of course is throw away. It's a personal choice as to use the steel or not. Me I don't use it as I like my carbines shooting just the way they are and I don't like my money going to Russia but that is my choice.
The Germans developed the lacquered steel cased ammo during WW2. It is a cheap way to make ammo, especially when you have no brass. The Russians chrome line their barrels and use the steel case ammo, but remember their rounds are rimmed and extraction isn't an issue for them.
One Russian caliber 7.62x39 is tapered, not rimmed - but I get your point. - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveHH
I grabbed a box of Steel Match by mistake not realizing it was was steel casings, DUH! Shot them after much thought and talking to other shooters. Consensus was that a box of 50 probably wouldn't do any damage. Shot the box with no problems and seemed very accurate. That was my first and last steel casings through my little carbine.
Is the CMP Lake City .30 cal Carbine ammo a good way to go?
Anything good or bad about it?
This was my experience with a double charged Tulammo and I'm going to be a little more careful with my next rifle.
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