Winchester 5827xxx Pic's

It's been a nasty rainy day here in Oregon and throught I'd try posting pic's of the latest carbine to collection. Hope I can get then up. Also have a couple questions. What is the x on the bolt mean? On the inside of stock pic, what is the 248 stamp for?? In the pic of the front of the barrel there are two marks. Would they have been made when sight was installed or removed? I have gone through everything and I believe it to be a correct, original, winchester to late 44- 45. Was the orignal type 2 band replaced with the type 3?? I'm baffled on this one. Gene

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I think the type 3 band came in a little later than your serial number would indicate; however, you are so close that it is certainly possible. If I remember right, it was November 1944 and the 6.27 serial range that it came into play. You have a very nice looking late Winchester BTW. I have a slightly late Winchester with the same rear sight. Could you show some pictures of the staking on it maybe?

So it is common to see some small scratches where the sight went on. Yours look heavy and the staking is not like Winchesters I've seen. The photos are small, but the stake marks look circular.

Typically the barrel was Parkerized with the sight and band on it, so there should be no marks on the barrel from sight installation. However, the sight would have been removed to install the Type III band later on resulting in scratches in the finish in front of the sight..

Look on the left side of the band about the middle of the band there should be a C if it's a Winchester band. No C then it's a replacement of a type 2 band. That could be the reason for the marks on the front of the barrel.

I used a dial caliper and the marks on the barrel are .152 and from what i got from the front sight grove is .128, i was wondering if some one has a front sight assemby tool that would see if the tool has something on it that would have made the groves. I don't think it was the sight.
Just curious, I can see how the barrel with sight in place can be parkerized, but with the band on and fitting snugly wouldn't that leave an area un-parkerized?

deldriver I'll post some more pic's of the staking

thanks, gene

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Bruce band has C stamp

My son has 5725580 and it has an unmarked type II band. I seem to remember when I posted it that a comment was made about the type II band being well into the 5.8 mil serial number.

The type 2 bands are also unmarked but can be identified as Winchester by certain characteristics. Winchester used a very ordinary way of staking almost a smear across the pin. Bill, I agree with you about the use of the type 3.

Yes, on original barrels you will find a lighter band in the finish where the barrel band clamp was. Also, if you ever pull the sight for any reason, it'll be in the white under the sight. The barrel band was pushed all the way back to the gas block for Parkerizing. Usually the front sight and barrel band come out a little darker than the barrel because of different steel alloy.

They were finished as an assembly and the band was placed near the barrel/receiver joint leaving a lighter color. This carbine is a Winchester.

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Originally Posted by gene of oregon

what is the 248 stamp for??

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WRA stocks are often found with a number/letter stamped on the stock's bridge.
Sometimes also on the inner right shelf.
Thoughts are it could be a Inspection,shift or station marking.

I don't recall ever seeing a X on a WRA bolt lug before..... Maybe added by someone knowing it was a perfect fit (?)

BTW, I have WRA 5,811,227 with Flat bolt and type II barrel band. But no lube/drain hole on the trigger housing.
Every WRA I own shows marks in the finish from assembly of pre-finished parts.

Very nice WRA,

Thx for sharing,

Charlie-Painter777

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Thanks painter777 , explains the 248 on the bridge. Here's better pic's of the groves on barrel and staking marks that deldriver wanted.

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Thanks for the pictures, they confirm some rear sight staking I have on another Winchester carbine I have.

If that's the way Winchester assembled carbines, then the Inland reference would not apply.