Inland carbine, worth

I have a inland carbine ser number 49550xx has low wood with cross cannon car touches , hand guard is marked HI, flip sight, bolt is flat and blue, type one barrel band marked UI, org, finish, no import marks, sling cut has IO, I got this carbine in an estate sale ,I know you buy the gun and not the story but they said it belong to a person that worked at the inland plant in Dayton Ohio? When I got the carbine the stock was very dried out I rubed some linseed oil on stock, there are no dimples on rear sight, no type three bayo lug marks on barrel. This carbine looks like is was never issued or used I don,t think it has been even shot, barrel date is 1-44 General Motors . Could anybody tell me what they think the value would be if I would sell it,,, I don,t have any means to post pics, thanks in advance john

a picture is worth a thousand guesses

Barrel date is good. If it's a carbine that was given to an employee and is still in that condition, it could have major value. You have to get some pics up on here before we can tell you what you have. If we agree it is what you say, then you should take it to a recognized carbine authority for appraisal. It could also be a restoration or most anything else.

Welcome,
See the STICKY at the top of the M1 M2 Forum page for The Carbine Club.
Halfway or so down the page you can print off a 'Data Sheet'
This will give us a better idea of your parts breakdown.
Try very hard to get some pictures.

Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777

Link Here:
The Carbine Club - A CMP Affiliated Organization

Welcome to the forum.

In the sticky section it also goes over how to post pictures. We also have a search feature that might be able to answer some questions you might have.

But to get input from members, the pictures help the most.

Enjoy our forum.

Jim

I have a data sheet but I am not a member of carbine club, Bolt flat blue 10 sideways 3 on left lug, extractor flat w.i. Inside, firing pin blue I-I marked, slide late 9/16 pi inside of slide outside a W trigger hous, milled rear bevel no, front bevel no, top width wide, mag catch M on face marked E.I. Left side markings hornz Inland, trigger markRRI, hammer mark IH blue sear no hole mark RI , barrel type one swivel UI , front sight mark N , rear sight S on left side , barrel has a P on it , hand guard 2 rivet HI underneath , I have one pic that I could send by email right now if tha would help. Thanks in advance john

With the acceptance stamp and having a serial number it means the carbine would not have been given to someone who worked there. Once it was stamped it belong to the government and they were not giving them out to people other then those in the military. As you said buy the gun and not the story. An original in very good condition would be in the $1200 to $1500 range and maybe higher.

Johnboy, can you clarify the trigger housing? Is there a 'W' on the slide or did you mean the trigger housing is a 'W'? Is the housing marked on the RH side with the INLAND logo?

Hi ,there is a w on the outside of the slide. An a PI with a line underneath it on the inside, trigger hous, just has a inland stamp on the right side there are no other marks on trigger hous, thanks

Johnboy,
The Inlands in this range were what are often called Pre-Transitional.
Your's having the still early Type IA barrel band, when just soon after yours was made Inland started using the Type II barrel band.
I have Inland 5,061,238, has a Type I flip rear sight that came from Underwood with a .U. on the sights leaf. Thought to be a all original carbine. Barrel dated 3-44... etc.
Point being I wouldn't consider selling for any prices you've been quoted so far here.
Your's if original I'd think would be more valuable than mine, because of just being pre-transitional.
Seems like at times 5 mil Inlands are everywhere.

Wanted you to see a recent sale on GB of a CMP sold rebuilt IBM, seen no mention in the description if the CMP paperwork came with it. But will say the seller was very upfront about the carbine.
This sold for nearly 3x what the CMP would have sold it for.
This carbine sold for $1800 plus shipping:
WWII IBM M1 Carbine, M-1, Exc : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

I was really surprised at the selling price!

Now here on GB I'd been watching a nice 18x,xxx Inland that was offered up for a opening bid of $1200. His pictures with flash (to Me) made the finish look re-parked. But upon a closer look you could see the pictures without flash showed otherwise. With the I cut Hi-wood stock and proper looking early features, I was sure this one would sell for higher dollars. I didn't take the time to research extensively, because as of right now I'm not buying as we are getting ready for some hefty funeral costs, but IMHO the carbine looked pretty legit. A 10 day auction ended without a single bid. Just parting this carbine out would have pulled a good profit at or near the $1200 opening bid. It hasn't been re-listed, here's the link to the now closed listing;
M1 carbine early Inland serial 18x,xxx excellent : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com


Sometimes I use completed auctions on GB to see what comps are selling for.
As of late to me..... they seem to be fetching more than less than 6 months ago, but as my 2 examples above (may) show, not always the case.

I understand your's was a estate purchase and very possible the guy did work at Inland. May have just wanted a carbine from where he had worked.
Many possibilities, could be a old NRA or DCM carbine he grabbed, or bought privately.

But to put a good ballpark value on it, good pictures are a must.

Your more than welcome to E-mail them to me and I'll post them here for you.
You can find my E-mail by clicking on my username (painter777) in the box on the left of any thread or posting I've left.
If by chance I'm called out of town for a pending funeral of my Fathers, I could always pass the pics along to another member to post for you.

About pics,
Early on, I really couldn't take decent pictures, let alone get them on a PC and post them on a forum. It was pricey at the time (because they were tired of me asking for their help) but had my kids get me going.

Best advice I can give you is find someone near that can take the pictures for you and open/load them in a PhotoBucket account. The account is free.
Getting a true ball park value on your carbine will be deeply dependant on good photos.
Many of us have been fooled by top notch restorations and Repro parts.
We don't wish this on you, but quite the opposite are pulling for you in hopes of seeing a nice original as issued 4,9 mil Inland.
That's why we are here.
Don't know where you live........ Might be a member closer to you than you think that can help, it's happened before.

At the least... Hire some local teenager to take a ton of pictures for you. Worked for me ;-)

Here is a link to a Photobucket album I have on my WRA 1,030,621
Way more pics than you'd need to start, but will give you a idea on what to look for.

WRA 1,030,621 Starting at the back of this file working towards the first page will show you from the time it was being torn down to final cleaned assembly:
Image hosting, free photo sharing video sharing at Photobucket

And for the heck of it a couple pictures of my 5,0 mil Inland
It's been packed with a coat of grease since 06 or 07.
I remember taking these pictures with our old Video camera. Next cleaning..... better pictures.
Don't under estimate that little flower (Macro) feature on Digital cameras. They'll bring out markings, color... etc that your eye ( Or at least mine) can't see without.

HTH
Charlie-Painter777

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Charlie,
Sorry about your father.

John was having trouble posting pictures and sent them to me.

Here is his carbine.

Jim


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Wow! That is a gorgeous Inland That's about mint condition, even better than mine. Nice score.

That's a really nice one for sure! I don't see anything wrong except maybe the sling, possibly it was added later along with the pouch? I had a really nice one with that webbing and most of the guys here told me it was a repro. I sold it pretty cheap, but did find where a couple of collectors on this site have them, and swear they are legit. - Bob

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I understand your's was a estate purchase and very possible the guy did work at Inland. May have just wanted a carbine from where he had worked.
Many possibilities, could be a old NRA or DCM carbine he grabbed, or bought privately.

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I thought I would share this, about some employee's at a gun place many years ago....
I remember sitting with an elderly Gentleman, and WWII Vet. He was in his final years then, as time would tell. But in amoung the sad stories he refered to once in a while, one of the only jobs he ever had in his life, (Military first real job) and after the war, he work at a small arms repair/rebuild facility where he worked on carbines and M1 Garands. A couple of his old war buddies were there, at this time, who also worked there when he did.
I noticed how they smiled a lot while talking about that job, they all had kind of a sparkle in thier eyes. One of those elderly gentleman leaned over to the other and asked "you still got that referb rifle that we all got back in the good ole days?" Mind you they worked there, so they rebuilt these rifles and knew what was there. "All three of these guys" each had the best rebuild they could produce. Complete with a few accessories. Now we're talking about many years ago, all these guys are long gone by about 20 years now, but the point is, sometimes, employes figure out how to "obtain" or perhaps "aquire" some of the best rifles that they could produce, back in the old day's, not talking about now... lol. . I actually got to see two of the three Gentlemans rifles. I never saw the third Gentlemans rifle. He had passed away before I had a chance to see his. But the two I saw, I was told were 100% correct rifles, one was a carbine, the other a garand. Back then I didn't know what that meant. The old guy went on to tell me, it all started when they just started holding back a few parts, untill they found a match for a parts grouping. I didn't know what that meant either, but anyway... he eventually built a matching trigger group. Then a barreled reciever showed up that matched that, then a stock with the right metal parts, and so on. He just kept going until he had a whole rifle, by taking and swaping enough parts around. Once finished, the guys decided to try it two more times. I still didnt know then what a correct rifle was... lol. I just thought that meant they were put together the right way, and not the wrong way. I had no idea what I was holding in my hands. But they werent for sale anyway, the old vet was just showing them to me one day, while I was visiting him. When the first of the three passed away, thats how the other guy wound up with two of the old rifles. I don't know what happened after that, and all of those older guys are long gone now.
Sorry, I didn't intend to run on so much, but I did know three old guys that "worked at a place" that got some real gems back when they was still young and brave, or dumb and young, depending on how you read into it.

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That's a really nice one for sure! I don't see anything wrong except maybe the sling, possibly it was added later along with the pouch? I had a really nice one with that webbing and most of the guys here told me it was a repro. I sold it pretty cheap, but did find where a couple of collectors on this site have them, and swear they are legit. - Bob

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Hi , yes the sling and pouch did,nt come with the carbine I brought those later.

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I thought I would share this, about some employee's at a gun place many years ago....
I remember sitting with an elderly Gentleman, and WWII Vet. He was in his final years then, as time would tell. But in amoung the sad stories he refered to once in a while, one of the only jobs he ever had in his life, (Military first real job) and after the war, he work at a small arms repair/rebuild facility where he worked on carbines and M1 Garands. A couple of his old war buddies were there, at this time, who also worked there when he did.
I noticed how they smiled a lot while talking about that job, they all had kind of a sparkle in thier eyes. One of those elderly gentleman leaned over to the other and asked "you still got that referb rifle that we all got back in the good ole days?" Mind you they worked there, so they rebuilt these rifles and knew what was there. "All three of these guys" each had the best rebuild they could produce. Complete with a few accessories. Now we're talking about many years atgo, all these guys are long gone by about 20 years now, but the point is, sometimes, employes figure out how to "obtain" or perhaps "aquire" some of the best rifles that they could produce, back in the old day's, not talking about now... lol. . I actually got to see two of the three Gentlemans rifles. I never saw the third Gentlemans rifle. He had passed away before I had a chance to see his. But the two I saw, I was told were 100% correct rifles, one was a carbine, the other a garand. Back then I didn't know what that meant. The old guy went on to tell me, it all started when they just started holding back a few parts, untill they found a match for a parts grouping. I didn't know what that meant either, but anyway... he eventually built a matching trigger group. Then a barreled reciever showed up that matched that, then a stock with the right metal parts, and so on. He just kept going until he had a whole rifle, by taking and swaping enough parts around. Once finished, the guys decided to try it two more times. I still didnt know then what a correct rifle was... lol. I just thought that meant they were put together the right way, and not the wrong way. I had no idea what I was holding in my hands. But they werent for sale anyway, the old vet was just showing them to me one day, while I was visiting him. When the first of the three passed away, thats how the other guy wound up with two of the old rifles. I don't know what happened after that, and all of those older guys are long gone now.
Sorry, I didn't intend to run on so much, but I did know three old guys that "worked at a place" that got some real gems back when they was still young and brave, or dumb and young, depending on how you read into it.

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This carbine came out of Michigan,

Johnboy,
I see Jim got your pictures posted.
Very nice looking carbine.
Seems I can just make out the chisel type stake marks on the dovetails.
Do you shoot it?
Any idea what part of Michigan?

JimF,
Thx for stepping in for me.
Pretty busy here with the phone.

Hillbilly-06,
I recall some volunteers at a store in the 'South' with a similiar story ;-)


Ch-P777

Johnboy; the slide and trigger housing are Inland. The 'W' on the bottom of the slide is an inspector's mark - internal Inland or Packard (Packard for Inland - 'P.I.') mark, not gov inspector. The slide is called a 'Type 5' and started showing up around 5.0. At least that's what I think. I have a 4.927 with a Type 5 but I don't think it's original since it also has many other updated parts. However, if your carbine is truly a 'time machine' and is in unmolested configuration, I guess it is what it is. :)
As for the stock, you might consider cutting your linseed oil 50% with turpentine which speeds penetration. I would give it a few light doses, inside and out, then rest it for a few months. Get a film of lubricant/preservative on all metal surfaces too.

Wow. Somehow I missed the pics before posting. Looks like you have the situation well in hand on the stock oil and gun oil. It's beauty for sure.

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Johnboy; the slide and trigger housing are Inland. The 'W' on the bottom of the slide is an inspector's mark - internal Inland or Packard (Packard for Inland - 'P.I.') mark, not gov inspector. The slide is called a 'Type 5' and started showing up around 5.0. At least that's what I think. I have a 4.927 with a Type 5 but I don't think it's original since it also has many other updated parts. However, if your carbine is truly a 'time machine' and is in unmolested configuration, I guess it is what it is. :)
As for the stock, you might consider cutting your linseed oil 50% with turpentine which speeds penetration. I would give it a few light doses, inside and out, then rest it for a few months. Get a film of lubricant/preservative on all metal surfaces too.

Wow. Somehow I missed the pics before posting. Looks like you have the situation well in hand on the stock oil and gun oil. It's beauty for sure.

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Would like to get the stock a little darker ,, it was really dried out.. Thanks for your reply, sling and pouch did,nt come with it.

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Johnboy,
I see Jim got your pictures posted.
Very nice looking carbine.
Seems I can just make out the chisel type stake marks on the dovetails.
Do you shoot it?
Any idea what part of Michigan?

JimF,
Thx for stepping in for me.
Pretty busy here with the phone.

Hillbilly-06,
I recall some volunteers at a store in the 'South' with a similiar story ;-)


Ch-P777

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Never have shot it.

Don't worry about 'getting it darker'. It looks just about like it did in '44 now.

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Don't worry about 'getting it darker'. It looks just about like it did in '44 now.

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Thanks I will leave it alone,

I have Inland serial 49846xx . The barrel date on it is also 1 - 44
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Front sight look filed down to anyone else?
Curious if it has been touched up with paint or cold blue.
Be nice to see pics of the internals.
Very nice...

CH-P777

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Front sight look filed down to anyone else?
Curious if it has been touched up with paint or cold blue.
CH-P777

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Now that you pointed it out, it does. Wouldn't that be normal though, for a carbine that shot low during "targeting" before it left Inland? - Bob

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Now that you pointed it out, it does. Wouldn't that be normal though, for a carbine that shot low during "targeting" before it left Inland? - Bob

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Yes, completely normal. A low-shooter would have the sight filed. The drawing/procedure for that is in one of the depot manuals. Mine's high at 100, but when shooting the 100 yd sighting target, it passes, so that's that. Now mine shows glints of bare steel in the file cut but seems to have been touched up with something long ago. The OP's looks to have been touched-up too, but really good pics in sunlight would be needed. Since it generally is so 'untouched', it doesn't seem likely that the previous owner would have tried to cover that. Maybe the armorers had some kind of touch-up material to put on the file cut when they were finished adjusting the sight - does seem logical that they would. And don't forget, sights were blackened for target/qualifying shooting and sometimes in the field before battles, although that usually was candle-black and came right off when the gun was cleaned later. Plus, this carbine doesn't seem to have been to the field at all. Okay, enough guessing. I would have no trouble believing the armorer had a bottle of bluing salts and rubbed some on the file cut.
I keep a cheap 'Dollar Store' LED small flashlight with my guns. It is amazing what one of these will reveal/show.

Hi again I am thinking about selling this carbine but don,t know how to put on site I am thinking a price of $1500.00 what do you all think? I do no have a ffl lic, again thanks john

In my opinion, I would hold on to it a little longer anyway. Prices have already jumped up some and will probably contine to rise. It the big "ban" does ever take place or severe restrictions are put in place, then maybe you can thing about selling it. Don't get me wrong, you have a very unique carbine that will bring lots of money either way. But the longer you wait, the better things will be for you unless I am wrong.