Saganaw SG bring back

I never thought I would ever find one of these......but I honestly think this one's for real. SN is 3290309 and has all the correct parts from what I can glean out of War Baby. The front and rear sights have never been removed and the Rock Ola recoil plate and receiver have a exact matching wear pattern in the left side of the catch. The muzzle gauges a tad over one. The owner painted a letter A on the pistol grip and filed down the 200 yard flip into a V. The stock and handguard match and are both RSG marked with correct cartouches......the sling well is also marked 20F with a OC flaming bomb. Your thoughts appreciated as always. Regards, Rick.

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That's a nice looking piece. Congrats

Nice Rick!

I have not seen a bomb on the barrel like it before. Great find.

Grteat find! I know what you mean about never expecting to find one! I couldn't believe my luck when I found my 12-43 Inland at the local shop forwell below its real value to collectors. Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Bubba-7

I have not seen a bomb on the barrel like it before. Great find.

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326xxxx has the OC flaming bomb too. Both rifles also have the bomb on the bolt under the SG on the lug and in the slingwell. At some point in the 3d SN range the bomb on the barrel went away......not sure about the bolt and slingwell. Regards, Rick.

I have a 3.25 Saginaw SG that has the same flaming bomb on the barrel. Mine is more of a half strike at best though. Does your SG have a dogleg hammer and if so, what marking does it have on it? If I remember right too (no reference book with me) it would have had an umarked type 2 safety in it. It's a very nice gun as it is pictured BTW.

My hammer is in the white with SG below, trigger marked SG, mag release marked SG on L. front, umarked type 2 safety and unmarked sear.

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Looks great like I said. The hammer appears straight (I think). That would be the only issue for what I see.

The type 3 hammer could be correct. It's within about 20,000 of the start of the type 3 hammer listed by Riesch. Real nice carbine anyway you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill

The type 3 hammer could be correct. It's within about 20,000 of the start of the type 3 hammer listed by Riesch. Real nice carbine anyway you look at it.

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That's the way I see it. It makes perfect sense unless it was a field change-out which may be possible? Every part on this rifle looks like they have been together since birth. Regards, Rick.

I have SG 3,465,948
Straight SG hammer,
Only thing out of place is a Type III rear sight.

Looks very nice Rick, Congrats !!

CH-P777

Congrats Rick!! Nice carbine, enjoy.

Regards.....Frank

Looks like a great find Congrats!

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Originally Posted by painter777

I have SG 3,465,948
Straight SG hammer,
Only thing out of place is a Type III rear sight.

Looks very nice Rick, Congrats !!

CH-P777

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I can assure you that rear sight has never been removed from that rifle since it left the factory. Regards, Rick.

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Originally Posted by sakorick

I can assure you that rear sight has never been removed from that rifle since it left the factory. Regards, Rick.

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I think that sight gives it some class. Could have even been done by the GI that carried it ? Never know? :)

The rear sights being cut to a V are not unusual on carbines. A lot of GI's were hunters who had shot a V rear sight most of their lives and were used to is. The felt that they could shoot better with the V notch then a peep as it gave them more vision then the peep did.

Probably faster sighting then with a peep too

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Originally Posted by painter777
I have SG 3,465,948
Straight SG hammer,
Only thing out of place is a Type III rear sight.

Looks very nice Rick, Congrats !!

CH-P777
I can assure you that rear sight has never been removed from that rifle since it left the factory. Regards, Rick.

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Rick,
I was talking about the Type III rear sight on mine.

Charlie-Painter777

I still think it could be a little early for the straight hammer on this gun. Saying that doesn't mean it's not possible though. If you think, Saginaw started putting it's carbines together in May of 43. The straight hammer was more in late much later in 43. It's still a very nice carbine though no matter what. I wouldn't at all mind having it.

Carbine Club members have known since 1986 that there is a documented pristine example of an SG with the same hammer with a serial number very close to the OP's. If the best answer is what's sought, is it too complicated to go to the best source? Others can rely on Riesch which in many cases is like using a yardstick in place of a micrometer. The decision by Riesch's publisher to do piddling changes instead of a serious revision in light of new info is shameful.

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Carbine Club members have known since 1986 that there is a documented pristine example of an SG with the same hammer with a serial number very close to the OP's. If the best answer is what's sought, is it too complicated to go to the best source? Others can rely on Riesch which in many cases is like using a yardstick in place of a micrometer. The decision by Riesch's publisher to do piddling changes instead of a serious revision in light of new info is shameful.

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Thank you sir. I have a Rock Ola with a double square B/R marked hammer. Several member have posted that this hammer is not correct, yet there is carbine of the month with the identical hammer in the same serial number range. Riesch and War Baby are great for what they are but pale in comparison to the Carbine Club information. Regards, Rick.

I will second that Rick, go with the CC example!

Once again,
My Father spoke of seeing many M1 carbines having the knotches cut in the rear sights in the low light, dense forests of the Phillipines, during his 2 tours.
Often hearing the filing of the sights and sounds of knives on wet stones while in his bunk house.
He also said he would have done the same but rarely carried his carbine. Him running heavy equipment found it bulky to have around and mostly carried (shouldered) his .45.
I'm sure many back here in the states after the War, modified them as has been stated, it made the sights more like they were acustomed to. (did I spell that right?... Something in my PC systems won't allow me to down load spell check, appreciate y'alls patience)

My Father...

FWIW,
Charlie-Painter777

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Having been there and done that, we (the army) had a huge disadvantage at night back in the 60's in Nam. From what I've read over the years is that soldiers modified the 200 yard flip so they could get a decent sight bead at night. I have actually verified that the ground out v actually works much much better at night than the peep hole. Of course I never compared the factory version with the field expedient field version until a few days ago when I got this rifle .......the V notch works much better at night.....not perfect but better. Regards, Rick.

Seeing how nice this rifle is I would suspect the V notch was a theater modification, now if the stock was sanded, front sight protectors ground off I would Blame Bubba :)

Rick did you get that SG from a computer salesman? I was in a local gunshop talking to a guy who was telling me about a SG he had just sold. He made it sound real good. I was thinking that I sure would like to see it. Your carbine looks a lot like the one he told me about.

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Rick did you get that SG from a computer salesman? I was in a local gunshop talking to a guy who was telling me about a SG he had just sold. He made it sound real good. I was thinking that I sure would like to see it. Your carbine looks a lot like the one he told me about.

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No. I bought it from a long time collector who is downsizing his collection. Regards, Rick.

My first experience with night shooting was in basic at Ft Ord. My squad, my guys, were all good shots at the range, but the night exercise was a disaster. Lots of rounds, tracers burning like road flares but very very few hits on target.

In a way, we were lucky that the VC attacked mostly at night as they had the same problems. The tendency is to shoot over the target at night. That's why they make grenades.

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Originally Posted by sakorick

Several member have posted that this hammer is not correct, yet there is carbine of the month with the identical hammer in the same serial number range. Riesch and War Baby are great for what they are but pale in comparison to the Carbine Club information. Regards, Rick.

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My 3.34 SG has the type III, in-the-white, just like yours. Does the trigger housing show more than one type of hammer strike on the left side wall? I bet not, but let us know for posterity!
Thanks for the pix.

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Originally Posted by Maniac

My 3.34 SG has the type III, in-the-white, just like yours. Does the trigger housing show more than one type of hammer strike on the left side wall? I bet not, but let us know for posterity!
Thanks for the pix.

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One hammer spot......you are very clever.....I would have never thought of that. Regards, Rick.

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The Forum comes through again. Way to go Maniac. Thanks for the pic Rick.....Frank