aldis scope

hi all joined your forum yesterday as i have a old scope that may be of some interest to some of you.i have had this scope for aprox ten years and had no idea what it was so i took it to a local arms fair in 2002 and was told it was a aldis offset scope for the mk 1 enfield rifle the guy showed me a picture in a book to confirm,oviasly i was interested in its value and this is when he went all quiet asking me to tell him what i wanted for it so not wanting to get ripped off the scope come home with me and has been in a draw ever since.
the scope is aprox 10.5in long with a 1in tube the focus slide works fine and so dose the elevation the lenses are not chipped and the view is clear,it has a thick heavy crosshair compared to todays scopes.there is no markings that i can see i have added some pictures

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this scope is wasted with me when there is people like yourselves who collect and own the gun this belongs to,all im asking for is a fair price of what you think its worth.thank you and happy collecting.john

Hi John.... and welcome to the site ... :)

Thanks for posting pics of your scope. It looks like it's in really nice shape.... :thup:

I'll let some of the experts comment upon what the scope is and also perhaps more specifically its value, but you might want to search the Quartermaster Stores (click here) advertisements from the past.

Hope this helps .... :)

Regards,
Badger

thank you badger for your reply.wow i had no idea it may be worth something like that,i wont count my chickens just yet i will wait for some more replies.thanks again and all the best.john:bow:

Hi John

Your scope is an Aldis pattern No 4 ex-military or surplus left after end of WW1. Unusually on yours you appear to have an incorrect objective lens (OG) assembly fitted. The pattern 4 had an adjustable prism (OG) lens assembly fitted to provide lateral adjustment. The OG assembly fitted appears to be that from an earlier pattern No 1, 2 or 3 model. It is probable that somebody has removed the original OG assembly to put on their earlier military Aldis pattern 1, 2, or 3 scope to give it lateral adjustment as they are a direct swop assembly. In my opinion this has devalued your scope. Furthermore your scope shows no signs of military use, the range drum should be normally be marked 1 –6 Hundred yards for military use and the cross hair should be the picket post and cross hair horizon graticule not crosshairs. That said many of these scopes were sold into the gun trade after WW1 and all sorts of things were done to them. I attach (I hope) a picture of an original 1916 dated Aldis Pattern No4 complete with it's mount for reference.

I am looking for such a scope as yours that will yield parts/lenses to restore an original mlitary marked one should you wish to part with it?

Hugh

These were sold through the gun trade here until at least the 1950s. Many were assemblies of surplus parts left over from the war; many variations can be encountered.

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Hi John

Your scope is an Aldis pattern No 4 ex-military or surplus left after end of WW1. Unusually on yours you appear to have an incorrect objective lens (OG) assembly fitted. The pattern 4 had an adjustable prism (OG) lens assembly fitted to provide lateral adjustment. The OG assembly fitted appears to be that from an earlier pattern No 1, 2 or 3 model. It is probable that somebody has removed the original OG assembly to put on their earlier military Aldis pattern 1, 2, or 3 scope to give it lateral adjustment as they are a direct swop assembly. In my opinion this has devalued your scope. Furthermore your scope shows no signs of military use, the range drum should be normally be marked 1 –6 Hundred yards for military use and the cross hair should be the picket post and cross hair horizon graticule not crosshairs. That said many of these scopes were sold into the gun trade after WW1 and all sorts of things were done to them. I attach (I hope) a picture of an original 1916 dated Aldis Pattern No4 complete with it's mount for reference.

I am looking for such a scope as yours that will yield parts/lenses to restore an original mlitary marked one should you wish to part with it?

Hugh

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hi hugh thank you for that info.as for selling i have no idea of value so if you would like to make a offer and we can take it from there.thank you and all the best.john

I bought a scope today which I believe to be WW1 if I post a photo up here might someone be able to help me identify it ?

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I bought a scope today which I believe to be WW1 if I post a photo up here might someone be able to help me identify it ?

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Probably, but let's see the post ... :thup:

Regards,
Badger

Ok thanks, Here are the pictures any opinions are welcome, it has a makers mark on it, Periscope Prism Company Ltd. London, Patent, it has the numbers
marked on it, 3027/1916, T9516 the dial on top goes from 1 to 6 and has a crows foot on the body near the dial it comes with a leather cover (no markings) and a leather case marked with a 2748 crows foot, I, 3511. Any more questions just ask !!! Thanks. oh and sorry for the shine off the flash !

ConorD,

What you have there is a scope from a WWI Sniper Rifle. The mounts on the rifle where also manufactured by the Periscopic Prism Co. PP Co supplied the largest number of S.M.L.E. Sniper Rifles in the Great War and although quite a number of scopes survive there are not many complete rifles about. The scope case is correct for the scope albeit mismatched.

Are you a collector of optics or have you just come across the scope on your travels so to speak?.

Cheers,
Simon.

P.S. If you look closely the marking will be 3027/1915, which is the Patent application number and the year of the application. The markings on the case are 2748, the first rifle the matching scope was paired with and then it was remounted onto rifle I3511. I've got several original scope case and the majority have at least two rifle numbers on with a couple showing three.

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Ok thanks, Here are the pictures any opinions are welcome, it has a makers mark on it, Periscope Prism Company Ltd. London, Patent, it has the numbers
marked on it, 3027/1916, T9516 the dial on top goes from 1 to 6 and has a crows foot on the body near the dial it comes with a leather cover (no markings) and a leather case marked with a 2748 crows foot, I, 3511. Any more questions just ask !!! Thanks. oh and sorry for the shine off the flash !

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Hi,
Thanks for the reply, no I don't collect scopes so don't know anything about it just picked it up because I liked it, is the case for a different make/model of scope or the same type of scope but didn't originate with this one ? Do you know if these scopes are rare ? Presumably the Periscopic Prism ones are the most common ? Thanks again for the help

Here's a comparable scope for sale on an Australian ebayesque auction site, no bids, he dropped the price after nobody bought it for $2000AUD.

WW1 LEE ENFIELD SNIPER SCOPE & MOUNTS - OZtion Auction Item 7250909

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Originally Posted by ConorD

Hi,
Thanks for the reply, no I don't collect scopes so don't know anything about it just picked it up because I liked it, is the case for a different make/model of scope or the same type of scope but didn't originate with this one ? Do you know if these scopes are rare ? Presumably the Periscopic Prism ones are the most common ? Thanks again for the help

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Nice find. The case is the correct type and the rifle numbers on the scope and case would have matched originally. You're right, this is the most common type of WWI scope encountered. I forget how many were supplied to the WD, but someone else will remember no doubt. They were not well beloved by those who used them. Too inclined to slop in the windage adjustments, too much spherical distortion, too low power and IMO the post and crosshair are too thick. An inferior design that the WD bought out of necessity in 1915. The company was taken over by the Ministry of Munitions in 1917, probably for profiteering and general incompetence.

Hello all,

Can anyone tell me what this item is off/from?

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Closer View at text on the item:

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Any help much appreciated.

Thank you
Blogs

Can you see a model number on it anywhere?

From the lack of adjustment facility, and the graticule pattern you posted on the other forum, the scope is probably just a basic bore-sighting or collimation instrument - maybe used on a survey instrument or gunsight collimator.

Awesome to see these old scope pics, thanks to all for posting.

Hi Badger, Your reply interests me greatly but sadly none of the links work, could you help? regards brucemac

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Hi Badger, Your reply interests me greatly but sadly none of the links work, could you help? regards brucemac

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Yes, unfortunately this thread started almost two years ago and it out of date. We have since switched to a new Classifieds ad system for members, so you'd need to keep an eye open there for newer ads.

I have deleted the outdated links in the original post... thanks for the heads up .. :thup:

Regards,
Doug