Hammer question

Found a type 3 hammer marked P.K. on one side and a large X on the other side. Anyone have an idea who made it and what it should be used on?
Thanks,
Bob

Are you sure it's not I K. for Inland Pics would be nice

Positive, its P. K.

Wow, 105 views and no one has an answer yet. Maybe its a little rare?

Perhaps was that the one that was on Ebay about two weeks ago or so? It was listed as a Rock-Ola hammer, but I didn't trust what it was so I didn't bid. It seems like I have heard of Rock-Ola hammers with an X on left side before. I could be mixing that up with some of the bolts I heard they put an X on too. As far as the PK stamp goes, I thought there was a chance it was a poor attempt at a KR stamping, but don't really think that was right either.

I think maybe your right. I've had this one for quite a while. I found a Rockola trigger housing that was complete and original except for this hammer which I figured was a replacement. Maybe it really is a Rockola but I can't find any reference to the markings.

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Originally Posted by bobg

Wow, 105 views and no one has an answer yet. Maybe its a little rare?

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Maybe it's completely unknown, and without any information to add, everyone remains quiet.

Pictures please.

Sorry, I'm not picture capable.

Hey Bob,
Old list I have here that has the letter codes used by the Facilities or Sub contractors.
Shows Parker Mfg Co was assigned PK for parts they made.
Did they make your (or any) Hammers? :ugh:
Don't know.
Pretty sure they made the Comb. Tool (M3A1)
Also listed is a Parker Mfg who was assigned PR. I believe this is the company from Worcester, Mass. Makers of the PR-B marked recoil plates.

You may have to mail me your Hammer for pictures.
I know you can't do so without the wife around.

Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777

Bob,
If possible that marking is a R instead of a P,
I Also found R.K. Machine Tool Co. Detroit, Mi in War Baby page 390, listed as a misc part supplier to QHMC, but no letter code listed. Page 387 lists R.K. as makers of extractors for QHMC.

Is the hammer milled or cast?

I can mail it to you.
Send me an email.

Hey Bob,
I passed a email your way.

It's possible the members here may think your a 'Newbie' after seeing your number of Posts.
I know better :bow:

Wondering if you may have a Kal Machine works hammer on your hands.
IF... what looks like a P to you is really just a partial struck R
It may very well be one of the I.K. hammers made by Kal that was over stamped (Partially) with a R (now looking like a P)
IF......... If so, it could very well be a R (Over a I, but looks like a P) K hammer, that was redirected to Rock-Ola from Kal.

Take a look at this old thread with pictures of I.K. hammers.
One of which was over stamped with a R and sent to Rock-Ola.

Thanks to info once again shared by BQ.

Type 3 Hammer ID question?

Charlie-Painter777

Bob,
Looks like JimF had/has one marked R.K. with the X on the other side.
I do believe without yet seeing it, you have a partial struck R that looks like a P....... R.K.
Originally made for Inland by Kal , but the Sub Contractor Kal Machine over stamped and shipped it to Rock Ola.

Read:
RK Hammer

FWIW,
Charlie-Painter777

Charlie,
Will send the hammer back to you, in fact I'll send the whole housing back.
Its a milled trigger, not cast. No M2 cut. The shape of the K is about the same as the IK RK ones pictured. The P might be an overstamp but it sure does not look like an R. Its still got the X on the other side too.
Should be there by the end of the week.

Feel free to ship all you want.... :dancingbanana:
I'll take real good care of it!!!

:D

Charlie-Painter777

Bob has been a member since early 2009, he is not a newbie by any means.

I still have this hammer. Appears to have started out as an I. K. that was overstamped on the I to look like an R.

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Its a Kal Machine Works hammer for Inland, sent to Rockola. The R overstamping the I, Kal Machine Works was Rockola`s only hammer subcontractor until around Febuary 1944.

I'll post some pictures after I get it.

Bob,
Anything else you want to send?
Maybe one of the Spring tube RMC's would be nice or one of those ugly IP's you have!!
You gotta be tired of looking at all those old beat up SG and S'G's by now :D
Think how much nicer they'd look with some cool bayonet bands and metal hand guards :madsmile:
Don't forget how silly some of those others look with that line thru the makers name. Like I told you........ that means they were rejected :ugh:


Later,
Charlie-Painter777

One of the springtube Rock-Ola's? Now Charlie, you knew that would get me going. I have been looking for years to find an original springtube. :ugh::banghead:

Good work, gentlemen. A mystery no longer.

Picture #1- shows the R stamped heavier to the top, lightly at the bottom.
Picture #2- I highlighted the R in yellow, the original I in blue.
Picture #3- Pictured from a right angle, just showing a light impression of the R's right leg.
Picture #4- Highlighted the outside of the R's bottom leg.
Picture #5- The X stamp commonly found on hammers made by Kal Machine Co.

Housing is complete Type IV Fabricated Rock -Ola with all Rock-Ola internals.
Kal had originally made and marked this I.K. for Inland. With Rock-Ola needing hammers and Kal Machine being their primary hammer supplier, Kal Machine Co then over stamped the I with a R and sent it to Rock-Ola.
Sub Contractor Kal Machine to Rock Ola part.


Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777





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Charlie, thanks for the photos. Thats pretty good photography work. You brought out more than I could see with a 4x glass.

Bob,
It was tough to get a good picture showing traces of the bottom of the R.
If you look back at Jimf's post #17 (?) his R over stamp looks more like they stamped harder on the right edge.
Your's harder on the top half.

Are you convinced?

Charlie-Painter777

Yup, sure am.