I was just browsing Gunbroker looking at Rockola carbines (a guy can dream) and found two where they wouldn't ship to a C&R license. (This is actually moot as I don't have a C&R)
Does anyone know why they may have his policy?
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I was just browsing Gunbroker looking at Rockola carbines (a guy can dream) and found two where they wouldn't ship to a C&R license. (This is actually moot as I don't have a C&R)
Does anyone know why they may have his policy?
The best source for your answer is them. Perhaps you could also take a minute to enlighten them on the Constitution of the United States. Specifically the 2nd Amendment.
I can only speculate but it may have something to do with the current AWB being kicked around in which some military surplus rifles are listed. No basis in the current law prohibiting the sale and transfer of these firearms. My .02 cents.
Might be a violation of their state or local laws.
I have also had the same trouble, one guy refused to ship with my C&R
There is no legitimate reason not to ship a C&R long gun to a C&R licensee; no state law prohibits this.
The reason for this is ignorance. The firearms business is primarily BUSINESS, & a little bit firearms. Just because someone likes guns, that doesn't mean that he has the intelligence required to operate a successful business. If you aren't academically prepared to pass college level courses, you will have a difficult time reading & understanding ATF P5300.4 & FFL Newsletters.
But, as Joe Biden said, the Constitution allows us to be stupid. OTOH, if you can prove that the seller is refusing to ship for the reasons spelled out in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, then you might have a case.
Neal
Some dealers feel that those that have a C&R are taking money away from a legitimate dealer and that is why they refuse C&R's. It is their business and they can do what they want to but in reality there is no reason for this but they cannot pull a C&R over the coals the way they can someone without a license making more money.
Maybe not related but I recently found out why a lot of sellers refuse to sell to Californians. It seems the seller must be registered with the Cal-DOJ and any weapon sent here must have a DOJ approval letter with ID number. For some sellers this is just too much to jump through and they opt out of dealing with California altogether. Handguns can no longer be sent to a C&R either. One thing to remember too is the rules and laws change almost daily so it is nearly impossible to keep up on all of them.
In addition, you can go on line and check the validity of an 01 dealer's FFL. The BATFE does not post C&R licenses, so a dealer cannot check on line to see if the C&R is legitimate. Most C&R holders are not aware of this fact.
True, but you must send a signed copy of your C&R to the seller. No seller is going to ship without payment and a FFL. John
You can't do it electronically, however, you can call your regional ATF office and they can verify quickly. I had a fellow named Al purchase a No4 Mk2 from me and when his paperwork arrived his name was Al-Shaheem Shareef from Houston. I immediately called the KC Office and he was legit.....took about 30 seconds. Regards, Rick.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimb16
I never bid on anything that the seller doesn't take a C&R. If the don't state that they take C&Rs I e-mail and ask before I bid. I live next door to a dealer FFL gunshop owner who will handle my buys if needed. I only had to use him once. The seller would take a C&R, but wanted $70.00 to ship to a C&R. I let the ffl handle that one. Most of the time if the seller won't take a C&R he is going have to sell for a lower price to a dealer ffl.
Why would anyone worry about verifying a C&R? They are on the data base, & they could be validated when EZ-Check was started, but ATF decided to remove them from the query. If ATF isn't worried, why would anyone else be worried?
No one has EVER EVER EVER gotten into trouble shipping a C&R to a C&R licensee. Anyone believing otherwise should keep his aluminum foil hat on.
Neal
Not the case if they are selling a to a C&R holder in CA or if the seller is a C&R holder or private party. That law, which is several years old, only applies to dealer to dealer transfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger
As far as C&R handguns, those must go to a dealer unless the buyer is picking it up from the out of state seller in person and it has been that way for years.
Shipment of firearms to a C&R holder is in violation of NJ State Law. All firearms must be shipped to and shipped from a NJ licensed retail dealer. It has been that way since 1966. That's what caused the CMP to stop shipping firearms direct to the buyer in NJ. The law hadn't been enforced until the recent anti-gun movement in NJ. The definition of "Firearm" in NJ is wider than the federal one and includes BB guns, all handguns, and pre 1898 cartridge long guns. :bash:
Yep. The only thing a c&r is good for in this state is to get ffl discounts from Midway and Brownells. Useless otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.