Savage No4 MkI*.....Thoughts?

I picked up a Savage No4 MkI* at a show over the weekend. As you can see from the pics, it has some well worn parts on it. The original markings on the butt socket have been scrubbed and replaced with the date of "1944". SNO4MKI* is still on the receiver; however, US PROPERTY has been scrubbed. The rifle was imported by TGI with the serial number TD0002 added.

If I remember correctly, TGI imported a bunch of rifles from Pakistan, so I'm thinking this may be a Khyber Pass rework. Any thoughts?

**Bolthead Pictures - Bolthead in the middle is off the rifle

Looks to me like there is a special place to put that piece.:thdown:

That does have to win the "Hideous Rifle of the Week" award! :eek: And it's all in the details, because the overall photos don't convey the terrifying nature of the beast.

If the price was right I would have taken it home as well, just to post these sorts of photos.:thup:

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about, this is my Safe Queen!!:madsmile:

No, I did not pay much for it, I beat the guy down after I showed him everything pictured above. I still paid more than I should have, but I have a Savage fetish and I thought this might be a Khyber Pass rework, so I purchased it. Besides, I was able to pickup 250 rounds of .303 surplus for $50.00 at the same show, so I still came out ahead.

As a side note, I purchased this knowing it was not and never will be a shooter!

May be worth the recycled mag / furniture, no more !

I am only a grasshopper (novice) on this forum. But Eeeek! The bolthead alone give me hives. And I have fired DP rifles!

Looks like a Khyber rifle to me. Keep it for looking at...

The good thing about No.4s is there are millions of parts in circulation. You pointed out the importer reportedly brought in a bunch of Pakistani spares. Piece by piece pull and compare. The rest of the rifle might be worth restoring, but the missing US Property marking might reduce the resale value.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

Looks like a Khyber rifle to me. Keep it for looking at...

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Including, possibly, the action body itself, you think? Everything else seems to qualify that's been shown in detail, including the barrel's bayonet lugs.

The action body looks like a Savage product to me. The side wall marking looks OK, and note the stamps on the underside (pic. #8)-I think nobody in Pakistan would bother to forge those.

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Including, possibly, the action body itself

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I guess it could be resurrected...but the take-off parts...

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Originally Posted by Maple_Leaf_Eh

The good thing about No.4s is there are millions of parts in circulation. You pointed out the importer reportedly brought in a bunch of Pakistani spares. Piece by piece pull and compare. The rest of the rifle might be worth restoring, but the missing US Property marking might reduce the resale value.

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I actually have plenty of Savage No4's in the collection, so have no intention of restoring it. This may sound strange, but I purchased it because of its current condition.

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Including, possibly, the action body itself, you think?

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First thing I did when I stripped it down was compare it to a couple of Savage Action bodies I had laying around and it is Savage made. The only things missing/wrong was the scrubbed "US Property" and the 1944 date on the butt socket. Savage did not date any rifles after 1943.

Ask it where Chicopee Falls is located. I would bet it has no idea... :surrender:

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Originally Posted by Steve H. in N.Y.

and note the stamps on the underside (pic. #8)-I think nobody in Pakistan would bother to forge those.

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Oddly, the quality of their copies varies so much that some Kyber Pass specials do imitate even the minor inspectors' marks. But if the side by side inspection shows no further questionable features, then no doubt from this end. Hands-on is generally best!

I like it "as is" for what it is. But would not shoot it except possibly with a .32 ACP adaptor.

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Originally Posted by tlvaughn

I actually have plenty of Savage No4's in the collection, so have no intention of restoring it. This may sound strange, but I purchased it because of its current condition.



First thing I did when I stripped it down was compare it to a couple of Savage Action bodies I had laying around and it is Savage made. The only things missing/wrong was the scrubbed "US Property" and the 1944 date on the butt socket. Savage did not date any rifles after 1943.

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I think that you are wrong, the receiver is not Savage manufactured. Look at the sidewall contour and the contour under the safety hole. In addition the markings dont appear to be straight and the "S" is clip cornered.

I have been kicking myself for the last 10 years for not purchasing the Savage & BSA & Fazakerly marked No5MkI* that was here at one of the local shows. The real giveaway on that one was that the rear sight ears were lower than the charger bridge.

I think it's a great find. It won't be too long from now that these relics will be hard to find. An advanced collection needs stuff like this.

Here are a few pics of some side by side comparisons.

I still think it's a Khyber special. I'd leave it alone and have it as an example of that. I think they're fascinating as just what they are. I'd love to have a copy of each model available, just not for too much money...

BAR: don't you think that action body is real? So a Kyhber pass "FTR". My favorite is the bolt-head- the threads look like what you might find on a $3.00 c-clamp at Canadian Tire. Like you, I'd love to have a couple of these in the old collection. By the way, did you find anything of note at the Calgary show?

Ridolpho

After re-reading the comments and looking closer at the comparisons, I have to change my opinion. That is doesn't look like a genuine Savage. Tagged and duly identified as a likely Kyber Pass copy, it would be appropriate for any No.4 collection. The danger of course is in 50yrs time someone will mistake it as a long lost, hand made, tool room special edition from the secret archives of Savage Arms and foist it on an unsuspecting newcomer.

I must be missing something. What parts of the action do not look right?

Look at the marking it's self. The S is wrong and a bit cockeye'd in placement I think. Just for instance.

Just a perfect example of Savage workmanship:lol::rofl::lol: