How to sling the No4 Mk1(T)

Hi, I would like to learn how to sling the 4(T) using the the large target swivel at magazine front please.

I know how to sling the 1907 sling using front swivel only but have never been able to figure what sling to use and how to use the large target swivel.

Thank you in advance

BB

I would be very interested in this too.

Basically, like this but with a half-twist when installing sling (avoiding the unsightly half-twist shown here between biceps and swivel).

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1/adlqvm-1.jpg

Very stable and comfortable - and a lot less fuss than the US M1907.

The snipers were taught the method used 'by the book' but told that there were other methods that they were free to use. True to form, they'd try all manner of combinations, especially with the later clamp-buckle nylon and webbing slings. It came down to a matter of comfort and individual choice

This article in the MKL will explain in detail how to handle the No.4(T) sniper sling ... ;)

Milsurps Knowledge Library - 1952 Instructional Pamphlet for No.4 Mk1(T) sniper rifle

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Regards,
Doug

It's all in the L39/L42 User Handbook and addendum with pictures. I still have a few copies left. Get them now because I'm not printing any more.

I've attached images from the relevant pages of the official 1951 Infantry Training Pamphlet 'Sniping' of how to use the sling 'American Pattern'. Hope they are of help...

Thanks to Waco 16 for info.

I understand that the sling discussed in the pamphlet is the 1907.

What is the method when/if the webbing sling is used for same usage???

Thank you again.

BB

If I ubderstand correctly, there is a major difference between using the 1907 sling like the US Army vs. same sling used by British Army.

In first case (US), the sling is used with arm passing betwen the small loop created between the two sling lengths ( long and short) and sling is held tight at bicep level by tightening/pulling the long end and squeezing keepers on bicep.

In the second case (Brits) the arm is simply passed in the overall loop from outside and hand is twisted into position to hold forend tight.
The sling is not squeezed in place at bicep level in any way.

Please confirm and/or add comments.


BB

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Originally Posted by Boom-Boom

In the second case (Brits) the arm is simply passed in the overall loop from outside and hand is twisted into position to hold forend tight. The sling is not squeezed in place at bicep level in any way.

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Yes. Shooting competitions with both types, my experience is that the British sling is quicker to use, but less stable in position. I have gradually attached 1907 slings to all competition rifles where it is permitted (it would look odd on an M1871 Mauser!)

Thank you Patrick.

I am also curious to know how the common type No4 issued with web slings were used for medium/long range shooting with no target swivel installed???

Not much can be done with the action cover attaching loop at magazine front???

Tks,

BB

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Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick

Yes. Shooting competitions with both types, my experience is that the British sling is quicker to use, but less stable in position. I have gradually attached 1907 slings to all competition rifles where it is permitted (it would look odd on an M1871 Mauser!)

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Originally Posted by Boom-Boom

Thank you Patrick.

I am also curious to know how the common type No4 issued with web slings were used for medium/long range shooting with no target swivel installed???

Not much can be done with the action cover attaching loop at magazine front???

Tks,

BB

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You can usualy find the target swivals on eBay if you want one. Numrich Gun Parts did have some but I think they're sold out.

Boom Boom (long time no see!)

The two-point British sling is indeed easy to get into, but less solid. The sling will slide down the tricep and get out of position unless there is a button or something to rub against. There were a few old school DCRA shooters using two-point slings when I was new in the game, but overwhelmingly everyone preferred single point slings.

The issue web sling is really a carrying strap, not a marksmanship aid. However, if the shooter can wind his support arm through the front end, the rear portion will come across his chest. If the sling is short enough, it will give support. Too long and nothing works. But too short and the rifle is uncomfortable to carry over the shoulder.

Hunting magazine editors have a long list of topics to assign to their writers, but few articles actually seem to have new information. So in between the debates over magnum or belted or short fat cartridges, scope zeroing, rifle maintenance, jerky making recipes and photospreads of successful hunts (how come my deer never look so magnificent as theirs?), someone writes a splashy article discovering how the Acme Brand sling will improve readers' shooting accuracy. Revelations! And merchandising opportunities abound! Then as the cycle moves, the next big thing will be Anchor Incorporated shooting sticks to rest the rifle on. New revelations! And more merchandising opportunities on the horizon!

Hey, nice to hear from you too.....

Indeed, this is a topic not discused often since these days lots of shooters/hunters have no clue of what is a shooting sling is except for a mean of carrying your rifle.

Some body replied that I can find and buy target swivel to put on a No4 but my question was how to use the issue sling and rifle w/o the target swivel.

regards,


BB


BB

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Originally Posted by Maple_Leaf_Eh

Boom Boom (long time no see!)

The two-point British sling is indeed easy to get into, but less solid. The sling will slide down the tricep and get out of position unless there is a button or something to rub against. There were a few old school DCRA shooters using two-point slings when I was new in the game, but overwhelmingly everyone preferred single point slings.

The issue web sling is really a carrying strap, not a marksmanship aid. However, if the shooter can wind his support arm through the front end, the rear portion will come across his chest. If the sling is short enough, it will give support. Too long and nothing works. But too short and the rifle is uncomfortable to carry over the shoulder.

Hunting magazine editors have a long list of topics to assign to their writers, but few articles actually seem to have new information. So in between the debates over magnum or belted or short fat cartridges, scope zeroing, rifle maintenance, jerky making recipes and photospreads of successful hunts (how come my deer never look so magnificent as theirs?), someone writes a splashy article discovering how the Acme Brand sling will improve readers' shooting accuracy. Revelations! And merchandising opportunities abound! Then as the cycle moves, the next big thing will be Anchor Incorporated shooting sticks to rest the rifle on. New revelations! And more merchandising opportunities on the horizon!

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The simple answer to your last question boom boom is that you can't use the issue sling on an issue rifle without the target swivel because it doesn't have one! The only way that the sling can be used on the standard rifle is by using the standard and well tried method.

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Originally Posted by Boom-Boom

. . . my question was how to use the issue sling and rifle w/o the target swivel.

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This works if you don't squirm too much -

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2mqt5cx-1.jpg

It's also possible, though inelegant, to attach a common commercial QD swivel to the staple.

Attachment 41780

One can sometimes use the issue web sling single-point style. Form a loop at the unattached lower end, put your arm through after the obligatory half-twist, tighten it up, and adjust length at the upper end. Works best if the sling is fairly new and stiff - too floppy and the hooks won't hold well around upper arm.

There is a hook which you buy that does the job

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4/medium-1.jpg

There was also a triangle bent up from heavy gauge wire with a gap so that you could attach it to the loop - can't find mine at the moment.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...standard-3.jpg

There are three main styles, standard, doublepoint target, and singlepoint. There are variations of each style, however the basics are the same.Attachment 41790

Attachment 41788Attachment 41789Attachment 41787 The other variation of single point using a bren sling wound the sling around the forewood and took the tension off the front swivel, common practice with the L1A1 in competition.

Many thanks to all of you for lots of very useful and diverse information.

Looking forward to start shooting soon the old boomers with return of warmer conditions.

Regards,

BB