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Board, I would like to share two photos from our esteemed member RCS.
From RCS:
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Originally Posted by RCS
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This is truly a unique specimen of the experimental work performed in the interest of defending this nation. Many thanks to Robert for taking the time to email these photos to me and many thanks to his ever present contributions to this site.
Thanks Bill for posting these photos, this rifle was developed by Winchester during 1956-57. There are two bolts, two barrels and two 20 rd magazines and one trigger and one gas cylinder. The line drawings of this rifle had some information stating that two T48 rifles were used but it looks to me that this is a dedicated receiver produced for this project but could be wrong. The gas cylinder has a ball that will block the other gas port if only one barrel is being fired, if both barrels are being fired the ball will stay in the center. The weight is 11.8 lbs, length is 43.5 in and the barrels are 23 inches long.
The cartridge used is the 22/T65 Duplex (22 on a necked down 7,62x51mm case. Thanks again Bill for posting the photos
What roll would this have been used in.?
Same question as warpig but with the added questions of what on earthly planet were they on - or what were they smoking? If you want two quick shots, just pull the trigger twice. Same if you need FOUR quick shots........ Just pull it 4 times! If it's 30 rounds you need, then fit an L4 magazine. If you want a machine gun, then don't bother with an FN-FAL!
Diplomacy prevents me saying more............
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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Probably at the request of a high officer who needed to smoke something to chill out.
It reminded me of a story one of my Physics Professors told me in '61. He was working at the Springfield Armory during WWII. An officer assigned him the task of designing/making a 5 lb Garand. He said that he tried to explain the physics of recoil to no avail. A number of months later he had the rifle done. The officer took it out to the range and fired a couple of rounds. Returned it and that was the last anyone heard of that idea.
The designer listed for the T48 double rifle is Stefan K. Janson, who was Manager, Arms Research & Development Dept of Winchester. His name should be familiar as he was one the principal designers of the EM-2 (No 9 Mk 1). Before WW2 he was a native of Poland and fled to England.
Peter! I'm surprised at you! And you an engineer? Aren't you the group that asks, not "Why" but "Why not?" Seriously, it's not much heavier than my FN C1. Other than that, it promises to be just a bit over complicated for Immediate actions and stoppages, and maybe teaching mechanism...mag change in a pinch could be a bit*h too perhaps...no bayonet lug thank god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I just have to shoot it anyway, the armourers get to fix it...after all...
An early iteration of what became the SALVO/SPIW concept I reckon. Get lots of bullets (or flechettes, etc.) in the air. Precision was well down the list of priorities.
It takes two! One 5" and one 16"! :madsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Would THAT ever be sweet! The Sargent Major's would never be able to agree on which one should be used for drill. And THAT would be another problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger
Maybe it was for battle against a nation of identical twins.Quote:
Originally Posted by WarPig1976
From the little amount of information available, it was stated that the recoil from firing both barrels at once, was just a little more than the standard issue M1 rifle.
The first T48 double rifle was delivered for testing by the US Army in 1957, it is unknown as to how many were manufactured. In the book "The Black Rifle" there are complete line drawings of this Winchester developed T48.
Photo shows a few cartridges from this time period. Left 7.62x51mm steel case LC 56,
middle 7.62x51 AP LC 54 and far right 22 cal on 7.62x51mm WCC 53Attachment 44072
On the subject of quick double-shots again. I recall that In Malaya on pre-ops training for Vietnam, the shooting training included a 'watch and shoot' detail where you'd run down into the next fire-tranch and wait for the two figure 11 targets to appear at very irregular intervals. Then you had to shoot three rounds. Two at one target and the third at the other target. The butt crews would watch the bank to make sure that you didn't fire three at the left target at the first exposure and then three at the right and so on. You HAD to switch targets...., two-one....one-two and so on. Believe me, that got you used to snap shoot AND change aim. I used to dread the '....WATCH AND SHOOT....., WATCH AND SHOOT....' fire order but when you and your nasho mates are all just twenty years old, who cares! Later we were shooting at dusk/dark using the hythe type sights with trilux/radium blade inserts.
Anyone remember these night shoots? Were you doing them Muffer? Someone must have hit the targets occasionally........ but not often! Bullets were going everywhere. Good job there was only inpenetrable jungle for 10 miles past the butts!
Hi all,
It clearly shows what happens when Uncle Sam unlocks the keys to the treasury and allows unrestricted access in times of tension!!!! You do have to ask why, unless this monster was conceived for some specific trial (can't imagine what that would be though) more money than sense comes to mind???
I just can't see a good reason for it, I think a Winchester engineer was duck shooting one Sunday and said...... Double barrel....hmmmm....I've got a good idea!
Or perhaps its the result of a one night stand between a Holland and Holland and a fal....