There is an Indian No4MkI/2(T) on www.joesalter.com which I am interested in seeing what you pick up on.
What do you see? As opposed to what you read in Item # 2502 :thup:
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-14.jpg
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There is an Indian No4MkI/2(T) on www.joesalter.com which I am interested in seeing what you pick up on.
What do you see? As opposed to what you read in Item # 2502 :thup:
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-14.jpg
I'm probably missing something, but what a beautiful rifle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
Great thread to learn from.... ;)
Thanks Darren ... :thup:
Regards,
Badger
Anyone?
I'll be missing lot's if I try to point them out myself....:madsmile:
This is the give-away picture:
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-22.jpg
I don't know enough about sniper rifles or LE's in general to make an informed opinion. I guess I will have to wait for the "reveal".
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Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
Hmmm, let me guess then...Sarco mount, wrong scope, scope's in backwards, it's a .22 single shot DP Sepoy mutiny rifle...need I guess more??Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
:beerchug:
Hmm... welll some old pitting on the mount is scrubbed and it's reblued, but than again, the Indians could have done that. The stock is Brit beech and looks too good to be true and there's no ishie screw. I rather suspect the wood was added in the states.
The stake marks on the mount pads don't line up with the original stake points in the screws, but again the Indians could have recycled the pads off another rifle - who knows?
The bolt handle definitely looks scrubbed. Again, could be an idian renumbered bolt (probably).
The two knobs front and back for the mount seem to have different lines per inch checkering - maybe one is a repro? The rear one also looks a smidge thicker and the spring washer looks to be made of some flimsy thin material compared to the real one behind the front know which also has worn checkering compared to what I suspect to be a repro rear knob. Look in this pic to see what I mean:
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-20.jpg
I'm sure there's more wrong with it, but it's late and I'm tired :(
You'se harsh....
To start:
The rifle is described as: "rare Indian converted" It's not. It was converted to "T" status by H&H (along with 25k+ others). The inspection mark at the bottom right rear of the receiver is the give-away. This is the "fabled" D6E marking.
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-22.jpg
As to where it was converted to Mk1/2 status? There is a lot of "anecdotal evidence" which suggests that the Indians converted a lot of No4s to 1/2 & 1/3 status.
According to Laidler there was a move to convert snipers to Mk1/2 status, but it ended by the mid 60s. I don't think this gun would have required FR by the Indians in '63 if the Brits had just rebuilt it themselves.
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-31.jpg
What does "D6E" signify?
Better pic from Badger's pics:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevo
http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/brit...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
A "crowned" D6E was one of the inspectors markings which is found on H&H converted snipers.
It is found in the illustrated position in the picture ONLY on snipers.
IIRC it does show up on other componants, but never in that position on non-snipers. (I'll check this & confirm per Laidler)
I have what I believe to be n Indian No4 MkI/2 T.
It has the Ishy screw in the forestock in front of the receiver and the thin black paint on all metal parts.
The scope is a TEL STG No 32 Mk I, HBM Co. OS. 466 A, which is correct as the first batch of scopes sold to the Indians were the Mk I type.
The receiver is marked, M47 1943 and serial number, which matches the bolt and forestock. The number on the buttstock doesn't match anything. The butt also has a circle stamped on it with 506 \l/ 5-74
The butt also has a repair that is very much Indian as it has a slight upward curve.
The cheekpiece and front upper fore stock have been replaced with some sort of Indian wood and the whole stock has been rough sanded to reduce glare.
The barrel has also been replaced and has the bayonet lugs intact, which I've been told by a collector in the states is common on these rifles.
The scope mount upper rings are stamped with numbers to mate to front and rear and has a reinforceing bar welded on the back side, which I'm told is also correct for this rifle.
The scope has been arsenal refurbed and is sharp and clear, all of the adjustments are smooth and respond properly.
It came with a battered but proper sling, transit chest and scope can as well as a small desicant bag.
bearhunter
On an Indian FTRed rifle the serials are generally removed and a new serial added to the right side of the receiver ring. On a No4T this serial would end with a T.Quote:
Originally Posted by bearhunter
http://photos.joesalter.com/2502/2502-32.jpg
That doesn't mean that your rifle wasn't Indian owned.
Are you sure the rifle is a No4Mk1/2? Is the trigger hung off the guard or the butt socket?
- a 1943 dated BSA SHOULD have a No32MkI scope
- is the serial number on the forend stamped around the stock or along it?
- the number visable on the butt stock should be the scope serial. The rifle serial would be invisible on the shelf inside the butt socket.
- why do you say the barrel has been replaced? A BSA No4T barrel should be serialed.
- Can you photo the "added" "reinforcing bar" on the back of the scope mount? There is a molded reinforce on the back of the scope mounts, but you say there is an added 1
-Are there any FR or FTR markings on your scope? Usually they would be on the turret body.
-What markings are on your desicant bag?
Nice Long Branch safety lever.....
[QUOTE=Lee Enfield;2153]On an Indian FTRed rifle the serials are generally removed and a new serial added to the right side of the receiver ring.
My 42 Long Branch had the LB s/n scrubbed and another stamped below it. Is that a sign of Indian FTR? You mentioned the right side of the receiver ring...Or what? There's also that lovely black paint...:dunno:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/deleted.gif
This is an Indian No.4 Mk.1 (T)....lots of irregularities from the "normal"[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...6/P1020231.jpg[/IMG]
I'll do up a photo essay on it when I get a chance.
Cantom: I wouldn't call it "normal", but certainly not an uncommon practice on Indian refurbs to reserialize them. Kind of an "anything goes" sort of rule.
Lee Enfield, sorry for the late reply,
The rifle looks very much like Wheatys', except the scope is a Mk1. Like Wheatys', the scope mount caps are held in place by allen head screws. There aren't any Indian marks on the rifle other than the reinforceing screw. The serial# on the butt stock doesn't match the scope, the serial # on the forestock matches the receiver and is stamped around the stock. There are no markings on the dessicant bag at all, the scope box is painted green and has the number painted on it by hand in white and matches the rifle serial #. There are no FTR markings or any other markings other than range drum markings and on the barrel mfg and serial number markings. Finally, the bbl has bayonet lugs. I haven't taken the rifle down, as everything is covered in that thin black paint that is found on Indian rifles. The receiver flat is hand stamped No 4 MK 1/2 T. The pads and screws are all covered in the same thin black ink. Oh yes, the bolt # matches the receiver. I will take some photos as soon as time provides and if you send me your email address will get them to you. bearhunter