A collector colleague purchased an Enforcer, but it came with a unknown scope. Can someone identify it? The drawing shows the reticle, exactly the way it's visible in the scope (right, there's a bar down from top!).
Thanks in advance :)
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A collector colleague purchased an Enforcer, but it came with a unknown scope. Can someone identify it? The drawing shows the reticle, exactly the way it's visible in the scope (right, there's a bar down from top!).
Thanks in advance :)
The numbering and reticule drawing infers to me that it originates from somewhere near you or in Germany, but not Schmidt & Bender
The rifle was a Met Police rifle which I am sure you knew
Gil
Notice the long one piece mounting base for the scope. This is another type of mounting used on the Enforcer and I had more than one like this. There did not appear to be any serial number sequence to this type of mounting being used and they were used with PECAR scopes and PH rings.
looks a lot like some of the 6 and 7 power commercial scopes made post=soviet union in Russia back around 7 8 years ago these were on the market, most with internal BDC for the 7.62x54R 147 grain load. Have not seen these for a while.
I note Warrens comment on the long dovetail and wonder how it's fixed to the abortive effort that replaces the backsight! To be honest, and speaking from the hip here......, (so you know that there's going to be some straight talking to follow.........) while I consider the original Enforcer mounting system,especially the front totally inadequate breeching-up ring mount to be dire, then this surely MUST take the biscuit.
To be honest, I think that someone is having a laugh! It wouldn't last 10 minutes and the eye relief would crack your eye open at the first shot. There wouldn't even BE a second shot, believe me.............
Knowing nothing about the scope I will ask a completely unrelated question. Where is the ejector screw? It is missing in the pictures.
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Originally Posted by Gil9713
The very fact that there is no manufacturer's name to be seen makes me seriously doubt that it is post-war German.
The scope is fixed...
... in a ring
... on an offset block.
... t-slotted into another block
... on a dovetail rail
... on yet another block
... screwed??glued?? onto the rifle
Seems mechanically shaky to me. Too many joins, all of which can give a bit. I seem to recognize (having done it myself!) a bit of "how can I fix this thing with what I've found in the spares bin" engineering. In my case*, the result was lousy - and I wouldn't trust that setup either.
*Yes, it was a No. 4:o
Yep, Patrick has hit the nail firmly on the head. And, if I may say so, in a most diplomatic way. I wish I'd heard of that lovely phrase 'mechanically shaky' before. I can think of a thousand times where I could have used it
Paul S. The 7.62mm rifles don't use a positive ejector as does the No4 rifle. Ejection is caused by the nose of the longer 7.62mm extractor pushing the spent case to the left and slightly downwards. The rim of the spent case bears against the tapering body side which in most instances will cause it to be ejected (that's the reason for the longer extended claw). If not, then the case them strikes the ejector built into the magazine case which tips it out of the rifle. Next question!
Tah Peter. That's another Enfield fact added to my limited knowledge bank.
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Originally Posted by Frederick303
That was my first reaction as well. Some are good scopes, many aren't worth having.
Didn't want to say that this is original, just wanted to know if someone recognized the scope :).
In a word, no! At least so far........ And there are some pretty astute cookies on this forum
I had a number of both styles of mounting systems: the PH bases and the one shown at the start of this thread. I consider the type shown here much more robust and it also gave more options in setting the scope position on the rifle.
Having used both types on the range I actually preferred the rail type shown and have always kicked my A$$ for not keeping one of those as well, however had I kept every variant that passed through my hands I would have ended up keeping half a dozen rifles. Mounting systems, bipods, scope types, the list was almost endless. The rail was made of steel and was well mounted both front and rear, alas however, no markings as to the maker. The rear mounting was SOLID!!!!! as was the front. From what I remember it appeared to be hand fitted as there was no slop or movement and was not a Rube Goldberg unit. It WAS SOLID and well made!!!! I recall there was about one in 5/10 that had the full bar mounting system compared to the rear PH block and front base. I did have more than a decent sample to make the comparison at the time and the only reason I kept the one I did as it was the only one that had a test target enclosed from RSAF(E) with and without the scope. Interesting in that they used the actual scope serial number on the test target and not the scope number of the rifle that was added to the scope. My original scope got separated from the rifle and after 15 plus years I did put the original scope back on the rifle after a trade with another collector who had my scope. It does happen.
A recent new owner of an Enforcer in Canada advertised he had acquired it on another web site so I checked my files and still had the papers for it so he got those a gift.
I actually have a No.32 scope here that matches the serial number of a "wanted scope" in Angels matching service. I sent pictures to the person looking for the scope and have never heard back from him. Go figure...........
I digress.......
Generic Post Soviet era Russian commercial ain't good enough? Don't recall many of 'em having "real" mfg's IDs even when new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Promo
Can you post more detailed pictures of the base and rings? Anybody able to identify scope manufacturer? Looks post war Soviet or German. Interesting set up....some police forces purchased without scopes and added scopes of their preference. Anybody got a picture of a different set up?