Norinco M14

Hello everybody! Maybe it's a topic already covered, but I try to ask. It was looking on a guns magazine that I saw an M14 (US production): nice! But... yeah! its price (over Euros 3,000.oo :yikes: without scope) is not for my pocket. Then I saw a Norinco M14, copy of the US M14: no wood, only polymer; its price (without scope) is about Euros 500.oo :thup:
I said myself "too cheap, something is wrong" and I moved to look for any impressions on another fireguns forum: 90% posts I fond were positive. Insiede the other 10% negative, a guy (only one) wrote it has a "soft bolt"...
Inside this Forum is there anyone who shot that rifle?
All opinions are welcome.
Thanks.

The Norinco M14s are generally good with some minor potential issues.

I just got a new one and it shoots well and functions 100%, but the rear sight windage is extremely tight and the front sight base is canted. These are the sort of little problems you can encounter.

The "soft bolt" issue seems to go back to early imports into the US. Not a problem for the more recent guns at all.

There are boatloads of these guns in Canada. They are a great value and any small problems can be sorted out with replacement parts, as most USGI parts will interchange.

Of course, they're not so cheap after you start adding stuff to them.:) They sell for around 325 Euros in Canada.

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Originally Posted by Stevo

The Norinco M14s are generally good with some minor potential issues.

Interesting.

I just got a new one and it shoots well and functions 100%,

That's good!

but the rear sight windage is extremely tight and the front sight base is canted. These are the sort of little problems you can encounter.

All in all these are "easy solution troubles"...

The "soft bolt" issue seems to go back to early imports into the US. Not a problem for the more recent guns at all.

I supposed. His was the only one advice about that.

There are boatloads of these guns in Canada. They are a great value and any small problems can be sorted out with replacement parts, as most USGI parts will interchange.

Of course, they're not so cheap after you start adding stuff to them.:) They sell for around 325 Euros in Canada.

Oh, I heard about that... at the moment I must think to buy the M14, then in a future.......


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Many thanks! :beerchug:

You're welcome. Is the model you're considering the standard style with 22" barrel or the "shorty" version with the 18.5" barrel?

There have also been problems with the fire control group, & many owners replace it with USGI. You want to be sure that you have a gunsmith nearby who is familiar with this rifle, & has the parts & tools needed to work on it.

Personally, I wouldn't own a high power rifle that was sold "as is". In the US, Norinco's were sold out of the back of a truck in a dark alley. There was no warranty, no factory support, no parts, & no service. Even the importer hid his identity. I'd buy a $10 beach chair that way, but not an expensive rifle that I will be shooting 3 cm in front of my face. In Canada the importer gives a 1 year warranty, but the factory still gives no support.

Don't expect the Chicoms to offer the kind of service you get from Beretta.

Neal

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Originally Posted by Stevo

You're welcome. Is the model you're considering the standard style with 22" barrel or the "shorty" version with the 18.5" barrel?

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That's not wrote. But looking at the pic it seems to be 22" barrel, isn't it?

Yes, that pic is the standard 22" barrel.

I have a polytech M14s. It has been a good rifle. The bolt issue aside, a polytech or a norinco is a fine rifle for a fraction the cost of a "American" made rifle. Many will say a Chinese rifle is junk. Not so. The norinco will have a drop forged receiver. A Springfield Armory won't. I like a chrome lined barrel (i shoot a fair bit of corrosive ammo),which my Chinese rifle has. Not so the Springfield. By and large a norinco is built to USGI spec, so parts can be interchanged. I've talked to a gentleman in Naples who has extra parts. I'll send you his name and information if I can find it.

Sorry, I have a rabbit of carrying on on a somethings. Just don't let most of us Americans talk you out of a perfectly good rifle, just because it wasn't made in America. I envy the Canadians for still being able to get a new norinco.

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Originally Posted by mattgunguy

I envy the Canadians for still being able to get a new norinco.

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I envy US citizens that can buy and register a class 3 US Rifle M14...I'd way rather have that then a Norinco...

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

I envy US citizens that can buy and register a class 3 US Rifle M14...I'd way rather have that then a Norinco...

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Or in blackcat attilio's place, Italy!

Well I'm not a fan of any of the US made M1A semis. They all tend to be junk, that's why they have warrenties, so you can send them back to the factory and hopefully get them fixed!
Of course the only ones that still have warrenties are new made sprungfelds, all the other US made M1A makers are long since out of business so it's just like buying a chicom.
As for dependability - over the years I have read reports of catastrophic malfunctions occuring with every single maker of US made M1A rifles. I have never yet seen a single report of that with either the norinco or poly tech rifles - NOT ONE! Yep, believe it when the so called "expurtz" tell you the chicoms are junk!
I know of factory original M14/S rifles - no US parts - with over 10K rds thru them w/o a problem.
I have an All Original norinco M14/S and it is as good, or Better than any of the US made rifles. Yep, it has no warrenty - so what, It has never needed one!
I also have a norinco M14 select fire. I have it only because it was so cheap I couldn't resist buying it. It is just like ALL the US made M14 select fire rifles, a POS on FA!!! I never shoot it, but I will take it to the range occasionaly to let some other guy shoot it.
If I want to shoot a main battle rifle on FA I use my FN/FAL which is totaly controllable.
I shoot my Garand more than my M14/S.
Sarge

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Originally Posted by Sarge13

norinco M14 select fire

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I didn't know they made those?

I have a 1990/1 SA M1A that I have shot the living crap out of since I bought brand new. Never a hiccup, never a failure of any kind. I've hunted a great deal with it. With it, I can do no wrong. The failures I've read about were more driver error than malfunction of the rifle. That said, I have a buddy of mine who has a Norinco and he has run just as much ammo through his as I have mine. No issues at all. The fitment and finish are not near as nice but hey, it is reliable.

...mattgunguy & browningautorifle... positive & negative (opinions)..... :madsmile: you kill me guys!

@ browningautorifle: well, you're right. An original rifle is always better than its copy and it has an intrinsic "moral value". Anyways, in this case, its cost is more than 3K Euros.... :sos: :surrender:

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Originally Posted by Sarge13

Well I'm not a fan of any of the US made M1A semis. They all tend to be junk, that's why they have warrenties, so you can send them back to the factory and hopefully get them fixed!
Of course the only ones that still have warrenties are new made sprungfelds, all the other US made M1A makers are long since out of business so it's just like buying a chicom.
As for dependability - over the years I have read reports of catastrophic malfunctions occuring with every single maker of US made M1A rifles. I have never yet seen a single report of that with either the norinco or poly tech rifles - NOT ONE! Yep, believe it when the so called "expurtz" tell you the chicoms are junk!
I know of factory original M14/S rifles - no US parts - with over 10K rds thru them w/o a problem.
I have an All Original norinco M14/S and it is as good, or Better than any of the US made rifles. Yep, it has no warrenty - so what, It has never needed one!
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Sarge

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Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger

I have a 1990/1 SA M1A that I have shot the living crap out of since I bought brand new. Never a hiccup, never a failure of any kind. I've hunted a great deal with it. With it, I can do no wrong. The failures I've read about were more driver error than malfunction of the rifle. That said, I have a buddy of mine who has a Norinco and he has run just as much ammo through his as I have mine. No issues at all. The fitment and finish are not near as nice but hey, it is reliable.

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Well, that confirms what I heard in another forum.

That surprises me, very.

My 20 year old Norinco would not have beneifited from a 1 yr warranty. The only thing that it has done is shoot MOA with US LC delinked M-60 ammo while my Springfield match, built with a Kreioff barrel and match built by Bruce Dow could not shoot as well with match ammo. Shame on that Chinese junk.

I desire to thank all who answered to this thread. Reading all the posts I make my idea and finally I got an M14 ...even if "made in China" (US made is too expensive for my pocket).
Now... now it needs a lot of patience to remove all the "oil" (?) that embeds the metal parts (and not only...) :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
Good stuff? B******t ? I'll tell you on the next months. Again, many thanks to you all! :clap::clap::clap:

Good for you! The case is pretty straightforward: we can't have a real M14 so we approximate one with an M1A. They are all "reasonable facsimilies" so just get one you like and can afford.

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Originally Posted by blackcat_attilio

I desire to thank all who answered to this thread. Reading all the posts I make my idea and finally I got an M14 ...even if "made in China" (US made is too expensive for my pocket).
Now... now it needs a lot of patience to remove all the "oil" (?) that embeds the metal parts (and not only...) :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
Good stuff? B******t ? I'll tell you on the next months. Again, many thanks to you all! :clap::clap::clap:

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If you're looking for some info on exactly what to do with these guns, pm me and I'll provide a link to another forum that has truckloads of info on the Norc M14/305 rifle.

There are thousands of these beauties here in Canada and lots of people who know exactly what it needs and what it will do when tuned. Out of the box, it's a good, relatively inexpensive (they go for $450 CAN here) rifle. Tune that sucker, and it's as good or better than rifles 3x the cost.

One thing, though. I hope you have a deep wallet, or learn to reload, because you WILL become addicted to this rifle platform!!!
Welcome to the addiction!!!

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Originally Posted by shredder

If you're looking for some info on exactly what to do with these guns, pm me and I'll provide a link to another forum that has truckloads of info on the Norc M14/305 rifle.

There are thousands of these beauties here in Canada and lots of people who know exactly what it needs and what it will do when tuned. Out of the box, it's a good, relatively inexpensive (they go for $450 CAN here) rifle. Tune that sucker, and it's as good or better than rifles 3x the cost.

One thing, though. I hope you have a deep wallet, or learn to reload, because you WILL become addicted to this rifle platform!!!
Welcome to the addiction!!!

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Terribly right! :thup: :p

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Originally Posted by blackcat_attilio

[...] Good stuff? B******t ? I'll tell you on the next months. Again, many thanks to you all! :clap::clap::clap:

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Well, as I wrote... here I am. Today I was at the range to "zeroing" my M14. Here the target with my first 10 shots. I'm satisfied!

BTW: target distance: 100 meters / 110 yds ; #9 Ø 10cm / about 4" ; #10 Ø 5cm / about 2" ; no scope; bullets: Sierra Palma Match 155grs ; powder: 43.0grs N140.

Nice shootin'

I've never shot the Norinco M14 but I have shot their Ak's and they can be very good shooters. I've heard but more trouble with the PolyTechs than the Norinco. And Sarge I'm pretty partial to my junk Springfield M1A scout. It shoots real good and no problems.:dancingbanana:

Hello folks! I am back to this old thread just to tell I am very satisfied of my choice.
Here is the last target.
:):):)

Hello folks! Closing this year... I did it again! :beerchug:

Shooting pretty much MOA what more could you want.

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Originally Posted by CINDERS

Shooting pretty much MOA what more could you want.

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Dito, very nice indeed, nothing wrong with those groups, anything "Milsurp type" that shoots virtually MOA out of the box is excellent in my book!