I got a No.5 MKI and have a question

Hello,

to my luck and after years of looking out for a good one, i made a deal today on a No.5 MKI.
It is a nice one made by Fazakerly with a dark wood and a sling and includes the bayo. Its accuracy isn´t that bad, it shoots a 5 round shotgroup with standard ammo with a diameter of 4 inches at 100meters. I dont expect the same accuracy like a No.4 MKI* but i want to hear your experiences. Is this No.5 able to have tighter shotgroups and if, is it the ammo or must i do something at the rifle to increase its accuracy. What kind of ammo do you use with it? To me it seems somehow better to use lighter bullets than the 180grs that i use in my No.4`s. I will get it the next 2 weeks, and send pictures later.

Many thanks in advance.

It is designed, developed and made to use .303" Mk7 NATO ball. If you can get the real McCoy, why use anything else?

Just my 2c's worth Gunner

My experience with several Fazakerly No.5 Mk1 carbines using 180 grain S.P. Winchester and Remington factory rounds was that they would easily shoot 1&1/2 inch (3 shot) groups at 100 yards from the bench. When the barrel got hot, 5 shot groups opened up a bit (2-3 inches). I used 180 gr soft-points (factory and re-loads) because I was using my collectable also as a 'Deer Rifle'. (Which purpose it served wonderfully without modification).

Thank you Peter!

i will made a ammo with the original bullet weight but thought only that a lighter bullet will work better...don´t know why i think this but...

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Thanks butlerrangers,

i will use the 180grs too but as a reloaded round. We will see how it works

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Originally Posted by gunner

is it the ammo or must i do something at the rifle to increase its accuracy.

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Use flat base bullet. That is what it was designed to use.

I have found that the groups tighten up on all my Lee-Enfields with FB bullets.

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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler

It is designed, developed and made to use .303" Mk7 NATO ball.

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I hate to be just a little picky Peter, but there ain't any such thing as .303 NATO ball, Mk7 or otherwise. .303 was never accepted as a NATO standard calibre. Even the last run of work of Mk7z at Radway Green in 1972 didn't have the NATO standardization symbol (the cross in a circle).

What about HXP made for us in the 90's or so and accepted/approved for use in our Brens and Vickers MMG's. Not either? As for the cross in a circle, does the Israeli 9mm ball we use have it?

Anyway, like EMER's that are now something else, .303" Mk7 is still .303" Mk7 NATO ball to me!

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Originally Posted by RossM10

I hate to be just a little picky Peter, but there ain't any such thing as .303 NATO ball, Mk7 or otherwise. .303 was never accepted as a NATO standard calibre.

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But in an parallel universe, where things worked out slightly differently...

Gunner: I would be delighted if I could see a 4 inch circle at 100 yds, let alone get all my shots from a jungle carbine into the 4" circle.

To be fair Rob, Gunner can shoot and proved himself in the Milsurps comp/shoot, I guess seeing at 100 yds is an age thing, even I,m old now and thats official.... but I wont go in to that (see watering hole forum).

results below from 2011 comp/shoot and a reminder to anyone there is a .22 run alongside the full bore, see Range reports.



2011 results



Member.................... score........v (x) bull.........total...........rifle.


Sarge1998.................38/48...............................86......... .3006 Smith corona M1903 A3 (2 cards posted)

Pyno & dyno.................49...............X........... .....49.1........ .30-06 M1917

Entry Level...................49...............X........ ........49.1........ .303 No4 Mk1 (T) scopeless

gunner.........................47.............XXX. .............47.3........ .303 No4 Mk1* (1942 savage)

Frank LE.......................46....................... ..........46.......... .303 No5 Mk1 (1946)

mausernut....................45...............X... .............45.1....... 7.92 Mauser K98 (Russian capture)

mausernut....................44................... ..............44.......... .303 P14 (Eddystone)

jmoore.........................43..............XX. ..............43.2....... .30 M1 M1 carbine

fn111557......................43.................. ...............43.......... .30 M1 M1 carbine (IBM)

EDmills40......................42................. ................42.......... .30-06 M1917 (Eddystone)

jmoore.........................41................. ................41.......... 7mm Mauser Oviedo 1893

bigduke6......................41.................. ................42.......... 7.5x55 Swiss K11

Jimmy K.......................40........................ ..........40.......... .30 M1 M1 Carbine

jmoore........................39.................. ................39.......... .30.06 Johnson Rifle

mausernut...................39.................... ..............39.......... 7.62x54 Mauser 91-30

mausernut...................38.................... ..............38.......... 7.62x54 Mauser M44

DMark..........................27................. ................27........... .30-06 M1903


CAT 2

Member.................... score........v (x) bull.........total...........rifle.

rusty.........................49/48............X................97.1.......... .303 No4 Mk2 (PH 8/53 sight)


CAT 3

Member.................... score........v (x) bull.........total...........rifle.

Entry Level...................50..............XX........ ......50.2......... .303 No4 Mk1 (T)

broadarrow303.............50..............XX.... ..........50.2.......... 7.62mm L42A1 (chordal rifling)

gunner.........................47...............X. ..............47.1......... .303 No4 Mk1*(T Repro) Kahles scope


CAT 4

Member.................... score........v (x) bull.........total...........rifle.

jmoore........................45.................. ...............45............ .220 swift Type 38 Arisaka Winchester M74 Barrel


CAT 6

Member.................... score........v (x) bull.........total...........rifle.

jmoore........................40.................. ...............40............ SMLE Sht .22 MKIV

RobD,

as i said i dont expect it to be a sniper rifle, but i´m a bit of ambitiously what the accuracy of my rifles belongs. It is coming out of the history of my service rifle shooting. To tell you why: most of the service rifle in use over here ( Germany ) are Swedish Mausers, Schmidt-Rubins and K98k´s followed by a few Springfields, M1917 and some Enfields. As i started to fire those rifles i found that the iron sights of the No.4 MKI* are the best that i could get ( not the flip sight ) So i bought me such a Enfield, a ugly looking old one for 80 Euros. All the shooters in my Club told me that a Enfield is a bad rifle and its accuracy is like shooting with bird shot. I thought that i need to prove that they are wrong. That was the reason i joined this Forum....to get some really great information from the best guys i have ever seen, sadly not in reality.... Equipped with all the information i started to work on my rifle and the ammo. And as the results that BigDuke posted have shown, it worked. Today no one is telling me such a sh... i won´t say the word, again.
All of my rifles are able to hold a max diameter of 2 inches at 100 yards. And i want to have the No.5 in this way too. Maybe it will work.

So the ignorance and the disdain of my comrades has been the starting point of my additction on the Lee-Enfield rifles. The only one i need now is a good No.1 MKIII. But they are rare and so is the P14 but with the patience i have .......:)