someone give me 7 grand, there is a mostly complete no 4 T sniper on gunbroker...all matching numbers with matching transit case and scope case.
this is a thing of beauty........for people with real money only...
but go look if you want to drool...
British Enfield Sniper Rifle Kit No4 MarkI AS NEW : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com
Interesting to see a 17xxx numbered scope on a 1945 rifle. No visible TR. I wonder why there's no serial number on the butt socket, but it's there on the receiver. No doubt our more learned members could shed light.
the TR and the no serial number made me go, huh? but someone thinks it is legit. 1 bid at $3700
Action appears correct - has the letter "S" on right side by bolt head. Kind of wonder what happened to the "TR" stamping. I'd want to verify the butt stock has ther "S51" stamp for H&H conversion. Nice looking set!
Jim
Did Holland and Holland stamp it TR or was this done at BSA Shirley. Is it possible late in the war that this practice stopped? Such an interesting topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmieZ
TR marked at BSA as a rifle that gives a tighter group during the test firing. If BSA can make a bit of a pigs ear of marking TR, then surely H&H can make a bit of a pigs ear of S51... no?
peter. when the war was over or close to over, didn't holland and holland slap together some snipers rifle kits together to finish the contract? i thought i read that somewhere.
For that kind of money, I'd like to see the rifle in the flesh so as to decide wither the London Proof mark has been badly struck or the rifle has been refinished.
Just a thought but he just shows the bayonet scabbard without the bayonet. Is that scabbard for a cruciform bayonet as it's stamped Mk I, or are all scabbards stamped Mk I? If it is a cruciform bayonet and more valuable maybe he just wanted to give the impression it was a cruciform one, Ray
That style of scabbard was used right thru' the war with all the types of spike bayonets not just the cruciform style. Off the top of my head I think S286 is the makers code for Vanden Plas Engineering in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by rayg
Thanks, I guess I thought the Mk I stamp might have referred to the bayonet model it was made for instead of the scabbard model. Being there was a Mk I and Mk II bayonet.
Still unusual he shows the scabbard and not the bayonet, Ray
H&H, like everyone else got told to stop all work on such and such a day and on that day, to finish what had already been commenced. In other words, no further work was to be commenced.
H&H didn't complete any kits as such. They just converted rifles sent down by BSA and fitted brackets and telescopes. They did have a what they called a 'bulk reserve' of rifles that coul;d be brought out and converted if there was a break in the supply line, such as bombing at BSA Birmingham. The biggest supply line problems for H&H (and Lines Brothers Stens too incidentally.....) was disruption caused by bombed railways.
I always suspect that this bulk reserve store consisted of the early Savages that were slowly converted and filtered into the system albeit few in number. And later, when the ceassation of production order came through, these were hurriedly converted and formed the bulk of the 'less telescope' rifles. After all, if BSA were told to stop production and sending rifles down and the telescope makers got the same orders - even though we're getting into early '46 now, - these were the only rifles that H&H could finish. And when they stopped converting, the money dried up!