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Hey guys I'm new here. I've had a U.S. marked winchester model 12 riot gun (1942) for a while now. It has a sling attachment on the stock and a sling attachment in the end of the magazine tube. I got an origianl m1907 sling to slap on it. But I still need the attachment for the magazine tube. It looks like it would accept a sling swivel? What would be the correct style swivel to use? Any help would be appreciated.
Let us see a couple pics and we'll be way more help. It's hard to envision some times and pics will clarify.
Ok. I will try to get pics ASAP. Thanks for the fast response
Ok here's some pics of the gun. On the front of the magazine tube there is a sling attachment patruding to accept a sling swivel? I will get more pics of the area of interest. These are all I have at the moment. Hope this helps guys. Thanks
The spud on the front of the mag tube doesn't look right. It looks like an add on. The military front swivels were different I think. There's pics on this site showing these guns. The rear swivel is really hard to see but looks about right to me. There's going to be others here that will be able to look at the US marking and say if it's correct. If you could get better light and closer pics, it would be a big help. There are many features we'll need to see.
Isn't the front swivel supposed to be on the bayonet lug on the heat shield?
This is not a trench gun just a riot gun. I have had the gun checked out by an antique gun collector. they looked it over and said that the markings are in fact original. he said the sling attachment looks to also be original on the butt stock and mag tube. I've also seen the front sling attachment be attached to the mag/barrel clamp. there is another thread on here of an m12 riot and it looks to have the same front sling attachment as mine which is on the front of the magazine tube.. thanks guys for all your responses. keep them coming. I need to no what to do :)
this is what im concerned about. is it original? if so what do I need to install so I can attach my sling? looks to be a sling swivel but what woukd be the original one to the gun?
I understand that's the part. The other thread is inconclusive about the origin of that sling attachment. I'm not sure. There's several around here that will know for sure but they haven't surfaced yet. Anyway, according to Canfield, most riot guns didn't have sling swivels. The one he illustrates was cut down from a full length gun in Anniston Arsenal and has a sling swivel installed under the front cap. Not on the front. The nature of the front cap swivel on yours might help to determine when it was installed. But if the rear swivel is correct...then...maybe? Winchester did use sling hooks.
Haha I illustrated that so pple would no exactly what I was talking about. Idk either. It looks to be original but idk either? I sure hope it is. Most I've seen have the attachment on the barrel/mag tube band?
Maybe another clearer pic would help.
Ok I will get one. Those were pics I already had and I just cropped them so the quality wasn't the best. Thanks you for being so helpful browningautorifle!!
There was a contract to Winchester for riot guns with factory sling swivels to be installed . This was in late '41 / early '42 for the National Guard and was for model '97 s only. These are found in the 912,000 range. They are the ONLY known contract for riot guns with sling swivels in the WW2 and before time periods from any mfg. It is not unknown for guns to be retrofitted with factory swivels during rebuilds , however , but these would be the under tube type.
Baring any further information , I'd have to say this is an add on . By whom and when is anyone's guess.
Chris
Thanks for te information. Has to be kinda common I seen another fellow on here with the long setup as mine. I will get more pics. Was really busy at work all day. Thanks all
That's a trench gun magazine plug. Trench gun mag plugs have the centering stud on them for the bayonet adaptor. Riot gun mag plugs have a flat face (no stud). Most, if not all, of the original Model 12 riot guns do not have sling swivels. But if you must have swivels, you need to find a Model 12 barrel band that has the swivel and a riot gun mag plug. I suspect the barrel band with integral sling swievel will be a very difficult part to find.
Huh so it's a trench mag plug? That's very cool. I have seen the barrel bad with the sling adapter on it. While I was searching for this subject. I'll have to pick one up. Where would I find the magazine plug?
That's what I first though too...but I still wonder if you could maybe take a close up pic of the front of the mag plug...not a blow up of the rear angle.
A trench plug would have a solid projection. One for a swivel would have to have a cross drilled hole.
A '97 trench plug would not have the take down pin nor a hole for it. The model 12 plug I think ( don't have one to look at ) has the hole drilled but does not use it.
Chris
ok guys heres some more pics. help haha
Right, that's a sling swivel stud. Just a very recent attachment. Brand new and not military for that gun. This is why clear pics are priceless, it saves conjecture...you still need an original mag plug and the front band with the swivel on it. Maybe a clear pic of the butt swivel would be in order...?
Ok thanks alot. I will get more pics tmrw. I was hoping it was original so I wouldn't have to change it. Where would I find a barrel band w/ sling attachment. I've seen them but can't find one for sale anywhere:(
If you place an ad here in the WTB section, you may be able to find one right here.
Awesome. Check out my other thread browningautorifle. See what u think about those possible trench guns
I did see those, the thing is without flawless pics, I have a hard time with those sort of identification issues. Or maybe with it in my hands. You have Tom Doniphon helping and he's one of the ones you don't argue with in these matters. He'll set you right. Mind you, if the price was low enough, I might just take them on spec anyway. But that's because here in Canada, there's almost nothing to choose from. Then I could use the Mod 12 for a shooter...
There are plenty of clamp on style shot gun front sling swivels, but the swivel is on the side. After seeing this picture, I think I can make one of these using an extra magazine band (or just the one on my gun) then cutting/forming/welding pieces of a 1903A3 upper sling swivel to it. Clean it up and either parkerize or Duracoat. Finding an original one of these may take some time. Then install on the shot gun.
That would probably do the trick all right. I'd use the round sling loop, not the stamped one. It would look good.
It looks like a trench gun stock on a riot. my riot guns have never had a sling provision but my trench guns did. .02
That makes more sense than anything else explaining why it's like that.
The "spud" that you are referencing is in fact a trench gun part as I assume your butt stock is as well. It is there to position and retain your magazine tube using the bayonet lug. As a matter of fact, remove the clamp and see if the barrel has the "positioning" boss on it or if it is smooth. If the barrel is smooth underneath, you actually have a trench gun sans the heat shield and bayonet lug. I have never seen sling swivels on riot guns. But I have certainly not seen them all either. I have seen trench guns without the bayonet lug that had their magazine tubes held in place with the clamp pictured here. It is originally off of a Model 50 Winchester......
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4/01/089-1.jpg
Cheers
Attachment 49306You better go back and read the whole thread. Then go up and look at the pics...the "Spud" you think we don't understand is clearly for a sling swivel. See my copied pic...Attachment 49307Quote:
Originally Posted by pmac
Yeah, THAT is a bubbarized part if I ever saw one..... pretty clever though. I still wonder if the barrel is smooth underneath the clamp......