I am looking for magazines for a Lee-Enfield No. 4 MK 2. Anybody know a source?
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I am looking for magazines for a Lee-Enfield No. 4 MK 2. Anybody know a source?
Correct me if I'm wrong on this one but wouldn't a no4 mk1 magazine fit this rifle as well? Spares are hard to come by for any of the enfield rifles. Took me forever to find a spare no1 mk3 magazine that was just lying in one guy's junk pile at a garage sale. From what I've seen some can be in the $30-$40 range and others could be higher, depending on the seller. Was yours missing the mag or do you want an extra?
I am looking for a spare magazine. From what little I know, I think a No 4 Mk 1 magazine would work, but would not mind an expert opinion on that.
Theres only one type of magazine for a No4 rifle. They're all the same and fully interchangeable but have to be fitted correctly. The rifle only came with one magazine.
What sort of fitting is required?
Accurate hand fitting. There are loads of articles about how to accurately hand fit a new magazine to a rifle. We used to keep all the old worn magazines, get about 20-25 together and have a purge by fitting replacement back straps. Good to go for another 20 years providing that the lips were sound............
Usually plenty on e-ba...
My question is: does the Indian .308 mag fit a normal No. 4 action? And are they available somewhere?
I tried this in four rifles. It seemed to fit fine in two of them and would probably fit the other two with a bit of filing on the rib.Quote:
Originally Posted by villiers
I guess my first question is why do you want a spare? Unless you monkey with and end up breaking the lips they don't go wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartInGolden
Nothing wrong with taking a spare with you to the range ... just in case .
My point is that that "just in case" never actually happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by villiers
Yes, they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by villiers
This one is a repro one, from Numrich
There is an after market Pro Mag one ($30US), or the 4, 5 or 6 round sporterised ones sold with sporterised Enfields over the years.
Un-stamped 10round ones come up on ebay, I assume they are spares from the 1950s, Korean war era. At least the one Ive seen was stamped F54 on the loading platform but no serial number stamp on the bottom.
Is it legal to send a mag from Canada to the USA?
If so Del Selin in Vernon British Columbia has a dozen or so No4 mags IIRC.
The gun store phone number is 250-545-7175.
Be sure to find out if they can send it to you BEFORE you phone and be positive about that.
What model will this one fit?? It has a "3" stamped on it, and the rear lug is stamped and stepped, unlike the solid one in my other gun. It does not fit my No 4, MK I (T).
Chuck
That's the early mag for the SMLE with the cutoff...
OK, thanks very much, had it for years, but never could fit it to anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Chuck
The reason why your old magazine wouldn't (see * later) fit the No4 was because by the time the 'new' No4 rifle was being developed for ease and cheapness, it had already been decided that there were already far too many different mark/types of magazines sloshing around in the Ordnance system in and around the world. *Some of these would fit the new No4 type interface, others wouldn't, some could be made to fit while others.......... you get my drift! A sheet metal outfit called Fisher-Ludlow (or it might be Fisher from Ludlow in Shropshire) said that they were able to directly press out the whole case from soft, easily worked, pliable and best of all, cheap mild steel - which they did! This meant the days of the old fabricated and brazed No1 rifle type magazines were over
There was quite a bit of discussion about this in the No1 Mk5 papers but it seems that by the time of the Mk6 and trials, the pressed magazine was the order of the day..... sort of!
When the cut-off was abandoned, this caused another flurry of activity too because while it was easy to change the drawing to raise the right side of the magazine to equal that of the left side, strengthen it somewhat AND simplify the production, the Ordnance Board wouldn't allow this. Guess why...........? Yep........., because there were still thousands of original No4 Mk1's in the system that had cut-offs and unbelieveably, others on the OB held the view that after the war, we'd revert to cut-offs! That's why the cut-off block was retained too! And that's why the first series production rifles retained the drop-side fore-ends. And the 'new' No4 magazine had to be fully interchangeable throughout the whole of the No4 range.
There was 'apparently', although I have never seen ref to this.....) discussion too about the actual bolt being made interchangeable through the No1 and 4 but this faced the same 'there's already too many variables' argument so it didn't happen. Mind you other things were made interchangeable such as butt assemblies, stock bolts after a fashion and a few other things.
Anyway, for those that might have already noticed, that's the reason why the magazine profile still retains the lower, undercut right side wall
There, another useless bit of Lee Enfield information for your digestion. If it's useless and way off tangent then just ignore it. Hey....., while we're here, if you like or appreciate these useless snippets of info that take me off at a bit of a tangent, just add a tick in the thanks box. That way I can judge whether it's worth wasting my - and your time or not
The surest way to have a magazine "go bad" with any sort of L-E is to treat as detatchable!
If it's working leave it be. As noted above the bodies are quite soft and can be bent just by inserting them into the rifle a bit caddywumpus or too vigorously.
The important thing is that they will sometimes work in L42a1s...Well, no, that's not important. But I did it once upon a time with some success.Quote:
Originally Posted by villiers
I could not agree more - Mr. Moore.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmoore
I have plenty of spares for the III's and IV's as when we have a mil shoot it is always an adventure someone always has a melt down and the cry goes out anyone got one of these...........and it is good for the fun of it all and we all get on together no matter what we shoot K-31 's are the flavour at present.
It's far harder to fumble a mag out of the pocket and into a rifle than it is to use the chargers...
That is GREAT advice you've just dished out there in thread 19 JM. I expect that most service shooters have tried to speed mag changes up a bit, only to dump a couple on the ground in front of them after not closing the pouches securely or leaving an empty one - or worse still, a FULL one - back on the firing point during a rundown. Then losing points for not enough hits-on-target AND not having all your magazines at the end of the loooooooong series of rundowns.
The Bren pairs was the worst. I seem to rememeber that it started at 600 with rundowns, changes of gunners, mag changes, make safe, single shots and short bursts and some bursts with no less that 3 bursts allowed from 30 rounds and so on......... Been there BAR and Muffer?
The BEST bit was that when I was doing the Range Officer part, I could just tell the knackered gunners what a load of crap they all were and how easy it all was.............. After all, I'd just run-down too, but I didn't have a Bren, full pouches/webbing, pair of binos and a bren wallet flopping all over the place. Oh, happy days!
But then too, you probably had a good ten years over them all. Our troops don't believe the stories about the rundowns now...from waaaaaaayyyy back there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Our SSR's forbid us to change position with any rounds in the mag so you have no choice but to use strippers, I like the strippers as if you have a tight mag why waste time trying to muscle it out and risk dropping it in the sand I managed with my No.4 25 rounds prone in 1 minute for a 75.1/125.25 @ 200M at a figure 10 that's starting with 10 in the mag and doing 3 strippers with a bloody rim over on the last one great fun they are.
Not worried about the score just being allowed to wind it up as when we shoot comp we are tied to 5 rounds at a time in the mag to be fair to the Mauser actioned weapons.
Had a ball as it is one of the traits a Smelly excels at and that is getting them out of the barrel we had 12 on the mound all hammering away really put it into perspective if you had 3-400 of them all cranking out what you would be facing definitely not for me facing that volume of fire...
Brings back memories Pete, 1986 me and my Sqn. OC cleaned up the best of them at AASAM with an AR.
First round hits every time,:dancingbanana: (I used to run up mountains once;))
Hey Muffet imagine in WWI facing stuff like that well it would be like the MG 42 in WWII like they akin its burst of fire like ripping calico and dam well hated it except for the barrel change.
Seriously the great thing about the lee enfield line is for a bolt action in trained hands can be fast and lethal, some where I have heard there was a Sergeant in WWI era in 1 minute placed 35 rounds all bulls at 300yds this is a true story of a feat of arms.
I watched a feat of arms with a WWII Sniper 85 y/o vet who went through Bastogne using a replica M-A3 I think from freedom arms place 2 rounds in the head at 300yds then they took him to 1000yds with a A-5 Rem and a sniper team and he was doubtful about hitting the target they reassured him, he placed all his rounds within 1/2 moa 3 rounds I think.
1st - head shot 2nd- hit in the mouth 3rd- hit in the mouth all at a 1000yds and a trained sniper from WWII having never fired that type of weaponry the Marine sniper team who were champions in their own rite had nothing but shear respect for this humble vet.
They commented that he shot well beyond the rifles capabilities and as the Marine sniper team said once trained you never forget and I for one have watched this vid lots of times and the expression on the vets face when freedom arms presented him with the replica A3 was priceless
Also the Marine snipers they presented him with the famous black cap this was a real touching part of the video the vet really choked up as he realised just what it meant as I think they said only 6 had been presented to civilians since its inception I wish I could remember the link to share with you all....
85 year old WWII sniper nails firing range targets. - YouTube I think this is the tube link. Incredible
This is why the Japanese didn't even think of invading the west coast. You'd have a bunch of 95yr old Civil war vets behind every blade of grass... HOORAH...