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On the website of a famous British gunsmithing firm at the moment, there is an early No4 with cut-off listed for sale.
Photos seem to show a bolt with a bored-out knob - this would be original for a trials rifle from what I've read, pity the original markings are gone.
Yes indeed just like the pictures I see ??????? Not!
I didn't post any pics - they're on the website alluded to...Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
Er................ The trouble is that there are MANY famous british gunsmithing firms. Or am I just being a bit idle?
I saw it on fultons web site
No, not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
For the firm in question, they make a good steel scope mount for the No 4.
I know Peter L we are a bit behind here sorry I thought we were playing charades, so who is it Rigby, John Holland, BSA, Parker Hale, Fultons, Harrington and Richardson, Purdey ? is it that much of a secret this firm you may get nailed by the web spies for divulging a great secret to the world really boy I thought I was bad......hhhmmmm probably have 20,000 people agree with that.
A least Kimbo65 plays fair as just what we at the forum need is another endless search looking for a rifle from a famous British weapons manufacturer I got it Vickers Armstrong!!!! gads how could I be such an irriot........ it was just an allusion do I get a empty paper bag now! :madsmile:
Is this it??:
F1810 ENFIELD NO4 MK1 TRIALS RIFLE .303
Gil
Gil you rotter you took the cake:( at 2,500.oo Brittish Pounds ouch
Don't forget " Buy the rifle not the history":thup:
The history would seem to include having the three holes for the rear pad filled in with weld. Presumably the front holes as well, but that's not clear from the photo. Whoever did it could have at least found a MkI cocking piece for the poor old thing.
The linished butt socket usually indicates some time in India's sunny clime, so perhaps it was stripped of the pads out there and some enterprising soul in the UK thought to "improve" things by filling in the holes and hot-tank bluing it.
We all see the modified non-original backsight, magazine etc. Would have been better off with a coat of Suncorite IMHO.
Its amazing how many rare rifles (particularly No4Ts) that they seem to get hold of that have never existed before they got them
Mismatched wood, numbered to a different rifle.
Different finish on different metal parts.
Interestingly, the last two Trials No4s I've come across "in the wild" were both built up as 7.62mm target rifles. I get the feeling that, long ago, in the 1970s, some UK gunsmith deliberately selected Trials receivers, maybe because of the overall quality of finish and dimension - i.e. in the same way Whittaker used 4(T)s because of perceived qualities. I wonder if this rifle has been rebuilt from such a receiver?
Yes, that's the one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil9713
I believe it. I had one that got that treatment at Fultons in the 60s or 70s, it was a not a (T) conversion either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox