I'm usually pretty good about being able to authenticate markings from pictures, but this one appears to have been double stamped a bit and has been tough to verify. I'd appreciate a second opinion. It's on a 1955 5.8 million SA.
Thanks a whole lot!
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I'm usually pretty good about being able to authenticate markings from pictures, but this one appears to have been double stamped a bit and has been tough to verify. I'd appreciate a second opinion. It's on a 1955 5.8 million SA.
Thanks a whole lot!
I'd have a hard time believing anyone would falsify one of those...they aren't the expensive ones...on M1s.
Well, the "snoopy cartouche" really threw me for a loop and I'd sleep better if I could get an "A-OK" from someone in the know. :thup:
So, are you saying it looks good to you?
I'm not good enough to give you a decent opinion. But my stock came off an IHC some years back in Canada... The snoopy was done to M14's though I think...?
I acquired a M1 NM from DCM sales at Camp Perry and the DoD cartouche is similarly jumped or double struck. A friend of mine attending the same National Matches, who could care less about the marking, got one with a single clean strike. I had to to say "Why me?" but at least I can say that the cartouche you provide image of is nearly identical to my rifle that came through the system from Springfield Armory.
Snoopy was used on M1 stocks. The faker said the stocks came from an Air Force Base, like maybe the AF used a different stamp? LOL, total crapola. It was among the very first generation of fakes and even though crude, it fooled a lot of rookies. It was exposed in the GCA Journal and precipitated a big fight between our side and friends of the faker. GCA expelled the culprit.
This is a Late SA 5.6 million of later and was used on the later NM's. As far as faking the DAS,,,, many have tried and here is the latest DAS forgery I have found on two stocks a guy bought at a Michigan show from two different dealers. This means it is being used heavily. One of these was on an Italian stock that they tried to pass off as a IHC. I call it """The DAS on Steroids""" Rick B
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Bob if you remember long before it hit the GCA I was almost banned and was once for fighting over these fakes from the Air Force Base and more. Barry Redding threaten a class action lawsuit back in 2003 against me over these supposed marked at the AF base stocks. They had every manufacture made and he didn't get that the stamps were from the Manufacture. Him and ole Karl Kraus were wrecking the west coast for many years. I was the only one back then to take them all on publicly and I took allot of flak for it as many called me a hard head and trouble maker. Took me allot of years to show some I new what I was talking about :) Rick B
Thanks for clarifying that one about DAS on M1's. It still surprises me that anyone would falsify that marking. I have seen the snoopy...gross...it might work if you'd NEVER seen a DAS...
Jim, you need to remove the thought that any cartouche is not good enough to fake. Also remember DAS stocks are now bringing in well over $300.00 a piece. Rick B
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So i'm assuming from this statement that the cartouche is good?Quote:
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I appreciate you guys taking the time to look.
I had no idea. Now I don't feel so bad about buying the three piece set for $85 CDN a few years back...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick B
I was at a gun show yesterday. I saw probably twenty stocks at several different tables. NONE had any cartouches left. They'd all been sanded down. I asked one of the dealers if these were CMP rifles and he replied, "Oh no. These are all from collectors. CMP has dried up. No more rifles." No cartouches, though. :madsmile:
Most stocks were selling for $75.
Bob
Yes, Rick, I remember your lonely fight at the time. Initially, many of us just regarded it as yet another bad fake in a long line of them. The real impetus for GCA was the revelation that the faker was a GCA member. Then we had to nail it down totally. The Association had a lot at risk and had to get it right, so we were as thorough as we could get. The same caution applied in our exposure of that fake M1C with the forged documents from a notorious crook down South. We spent months accumulating evidence to prove conclusively what we knew to be true.
Interesting. You guys have done a great service to collectors in doing what you can to expose the fakers out there. It is appreciated.
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Metacomet, it is harder today because just like the Ford Chevy fight or the Dem to Rep fights many now feel it is ok and I still get messed with and had a guy on CMP that they had to warn but now he tags along saying stupid things just to make sure he is in a thread I am in to get at me. It is sad how some get so offended when you are helping others and they feel forgers are ok. I have had people like this goof ball start calling fake real and real ones fake arguing that I cannot tel the difference since so many different stamps have been made. That old argument was turned over yeas ago but to the new collectors it seems plausible,, again.
Just like my stock work that gets old so does answering questions that have been asked a hundred times. I have seen many stock refinisher's come full tilt and die out fast as it is a labor of love and not a money maker. Just like helping people from loosing money is just not something I can let happen no matter how many fights I have had trying to prove something was a fake and being personally attacked over it. Some do not realize how many phone calls and emails I get. My wife has wanted to choke me when I am sitting down to dinner and the phone rings for help. After all these yeas and all the good people that have stopped at our home she is a bit easier with it and understands most of the time :) Rick B
When I was Chairman of GCA I very badly wanted to set up a legal fund to attack fakers in court whenever the victim was a member. Even if a conviction wasn't possible, the expense to the faker of defending against a suit would make the potential profit from faking not worth it. My dream was that being a GCA member would be like being a Roman citizen in antiquity -- don't abuse one or the guys with the SPQR flags would come tromping in and burn down your city. We went round and round on it for a year, but eventually there wasn't enough support because the risk was so high.
It looks good to me, for whatever that's worth.Quote:
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After looking back at this I swear this is a 3/8th DAS but the size compared to the stock. It looks small or is it just that photo???? Rick B
It is 3/8
So this is an HRA stock :) Rick B