Not sure if this was ever discussed, but it pops up once in a while so I thought it would be an entertaining topic
ARMSLIST - For Sale: Extensive blue ribbon M1 Carbine collection
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Not sure if this was ever discussed, but it pops up once in a while so I thought it would be an entertaining topic
ARMSLIST - For Sale: Extensive blue ribbon M1 Carbine collection
Just a first impression but if you have 3.5 million in carbines to sell could you not at least provide some decient photos?
Philly Is that a Mach 1 as your avitar?
Well, just checked my account,,,,I'm a few hundred short :(. Maybe next time....
Is that even a real listing? Maybe a scam listing with photo's taken from a show somewhere?
I see eight racks with maybe ten carbines per rack (80). And a middle section to show some special items. Yeah sniper scope, I have one too, no big deal. Lets say ten more on the table, and ten special items. If the carbines and special items added up to one hundred, at that asking price it would come out to $35,000 per. I couldn't see it even if they were all presentation guns in mint condition with documentation.
You would think for $3,500,000 they would have a nicer sign too.
This has to be someone playing around.
Jim, your not calculating the table & chairs into your assessment...;)
Hooked, it is a 1969 Camaro super sport 4-sp I owned years ago, still regretting selling it
Philly sorry bad eyesight. A friend had a blue 69 SS in high school . Big block with A/C still remember trying to change the No 8 spark plug . Quite a feat as I remember.
I don't know, but I'd sure ljke some of what that guy has been smoking!
If I had that kind of money, I'd never sew it up in that sort of thing.
Also appropriate from the car sales business: "There's an a$$ for every seat". That looks like a good deal if it included about $3M worth of gold coins in a cool chest.
At $2000.00 each, the seller would have to have for sale 1750 carbines. I believe he might be a little shy.
JimF must be right. This has to be a joker asking $3.5M on ebay - for anything. But, things are getting crazy out there and it could be serious. It only takes one buyer with unlimited funds and the momentary itch, and then it's free Bubble-Up and rainbow stew. The following GB auction was posted by USGI in another thread today:
Mint, Unissued WWII Inland M1 Carbine, c. 1944 : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com
This appears to be a real purchase and I simply cannot believe anybody who knows or cares would spend $4K+ on that carbine. For God's sake the seller didn't even feel the need to polish the slide track a little so it at least looks a little used after 70 years. Barrels on eBay are selling for nearly $400 and barreled actions for more than the price of the last service grade CMP carbines sold.
I for one would like to hear a discussion on what has really been happening in the last year or so market-wise and where this hobby may be going. If people are willing to pay ungodly prices for junk that looks pretty, can this devalue the real thing that does not look so pretty? I am sure the last CMP sale had a lot to do with this bull market but I don't know what other factors are at work. Just some thoughts. ChipS
ChipS
I don't see anything wrong with the Inland in your Link, In fact it does look like a Mint, possibly even Museum Grade Carbine. If you want one that nice, your gonna have to Slap Leather, and pay. That Carbine hasn't had too many rounds through it if any. And it was Marketed well in description and photos. And yes that is a lot of money, but someone got them a Super-Nice Inland !
My dad told me at an early age it only cost 99.9% more to go first class
Rustship
I respectfully disagree. ChipS
What do you see wrong Chip? I'm not an expert on Inlands, but I didn't see anything that stuck out.
I'm not an expert on Inlands either, so maybe some others will comment (to the appropriate degree) on whether the parts appear to be legit. I was pretty harsh in my criticism above and I didn't think at the time that someone here might have purchased this carbine (open mouth and insert foot). Momma said if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all, but there is point I was trying (perhaps clumsily) to make. I will not go into details (right or wrong) that I think might help the fakers, but since you asked I will respond in general as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustship
In my opinion most of the major metal parts have been blasted and re-parked, over shallow pitting in some areas, excluding the barrel which appears to be a very nice original finish replacement. I do detect front sight removal marks on the edge of the muzzle and the band looks repro to me. The amount of wear on most of the moving parts is not consistent with the "near mint" condition of the whole and the safety and mag catch I am pretty sure are reproductions (and not very good ones). I think the rear sight is a good repro and I won't say why. Why would the barrel/receiver index marks not align on a 'near mint' factory example? The safety/mag catch plunger assembly is the later type not produce until about 3-4 months after the date of the carbine. Why after 70 years are there absolutely no scratches/mars on the butt plate? The stock I believe is a reproduction, or perhaps unissued USGI replacemnt wood, that I believe clearly has been lightly sanded to remove 50-60 years of oxidation and the 'correct' Inland stamps applied. I don't remember a good pic of a key area of USGI stock configuration - maybe on purpose. I don't know about the sling because there are good (real) and bad (fake) features and I would definitely like comments from others on this. I believe there are other problems but this reply is already too long and I may have said too much now.
I think it is a very pretty carbine and quite represenataive of the period. But in my mind it is just another put together piece and not worth a quarter of what it sold for. But, the photos may be deceiving me and my reasoning is not above reproach. My skin got thick a long time ago and I welcome any comments intended to staighten me out if I am wrong. I would not have posted this in the open but I want feedback and hopefully I have not provided any helpful hints that were heretofore unknown to the bad guys. JMHO, ChipS
Chip,
After going back and looking closer, I do see the light pitting on the under side of the receiver now, very light but I see it. The index marks are off, not very much, maybe a .001 or 2. You have good eyes. Lets see what others say. They ain't getting any cheaper, that's for sure !
I found changing No.8 spark plug on my Dads Holden Statesman easier if I wriggled under the car on the ground to do it from below even with a special ratchet designed for V'8's it was rather frustrating, as for the Carbines I would rather pay for this collection. And what treasures lie in those cupboards.............. :thup:
A more accurate description of Inland 4884257.
http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/60/lid/1591
That is for sure, Rusty. What I was shooting for was some discussion as to why so much so fast and where we are probably going from here. Will a put-together with some repro parts command the price of a decent car. Maybe. It kind of looks like it right now. Will this affect the market price of the real originals + or -? Probably, but which way. If the inflated rebuilt carbine price is being generated by the dealers then I'm sure they know something I don't - they're betting their living on it. If it is driven by deep pocket, clueless 'collectors' then how long will the trend last and how bad (or good depending upon your pov) will it get? I want a little in-depth discussion now and then, if anybody is willing to show their hand. Semper Fi. ChipSQuote:
Originally Posted by Rustship
Brian, thanks for dropping in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianQ
Jim
Yes, that link is the real deal on that Carbine. I saw another thread where the seller said it and another rifle are exactly as he bought them. He must be the buyer of it from RIA according to the dates of the purchase and sale on GB within a month. So it went from corrected to unissued in a month.
That goes to show you, look very close, magnify pictures when possible and look close. It doesn't look like he swapped the major parts, but might have cleaned and re-parked some. Still has the rear and front sight (I assume) from the RIA auction, the stock I don't know because of the lack of photos from RIA auction. Very nice restoration, probably not the real deal. I've been wrong before, but I think the rear sight and type 1 band are authentic, but then again, I can only go by the pictures. I agree with Chip, I would have to have it to see in my hands to ease my mind. I would like to thank Brian, for researching that carbine, it took some time and effort to do so. Brian just for my satisfaction, in your opinion, could you tell us yea or nea on the Barrel Band and Rear sight. You don't have to put details, just yea or nea. Thanks again...Rusty
The rear sight is most certainly NOT USGI. I bolded "NOT" so that a reader wouldn't miss that word. I don't mean it as a slight to anyone. It's definitely a reproduction.
Look at the front site pin, the marks on the site and pin do not match! Also look at the hammer mark on the trigger frame! Just my observation.
As for the original posting I think I will contact seller for more info. If I get it I'll post. GK
The other Inland from that December RIA sale (s/n 2991712) is still on GB. The bid's at $1600 with a bit less than 4 days to go. - Bob
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=393554104