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Hi everyone thanks for allowing me to join you. I am a new gun owner and since I am a huge Military History buff I wanted to start my collection with an M1 Carbine so I have been looking at all the sites and researching M1's which is how I came across your site.
Can I start right off with a question I am currently looking at a Winchester M1 Carbine with a serial number of 5829xxx does anyone know if this was a WWII Carbine?
I am anxious to start reading all of the threads so thanks.
Bob
Welcome!
Answer is yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram965
See this link:
The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines - Serial Numbers
Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777
Welcome to the best forum on the entire inter web !
ram965,
Welcome, always happy to receive new members. This is a great forum with a bunch of friendly and helpful members. Like Charlie directing you to the serial number page.
Questions, and photos, are encouraged. Read through some past posts and go through the sticky section. Interesting information that will help you out.
Jim
Thanks Charlie, I appreciate the website showing the M1 Carbine serial numbers. Is there a site that also says when that serial number was built? Thanks
Welcome; Built around Jan-Mar 1945 is as close as my book says. GK
There are books. The "War Baby" series is the most informative. Though the three book set is costly. WB 3 shows a listing of the Winchester log entries.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram965
Winchester log book entries show that your serial number was put on the receiver Nov 4, 1944. There was a time lag between the numbering and completing the carbine for acceptance.
All six and a half million US GI M1 carbines were built between 1942 and 1945. Just make sure you buy a US GI carbine and not a commercial carbine.
Thanks for the help everyone looks like I joined the right place. Bubba how do you know if the Carbine is a US GI carbine and not a commercial one? thanks
You can find out here the prime contractors for military carbines as opposed to civilian patterns. It's all in the stickys at the beginning of the carbine forum. Or, buy Ruth's War Baby and War Baby Comes Home...you'll need them anyway.
Welcome to the forum! A Winchester would be GI. Inland, Standard Products, Saginaw, Rock-Ola, National Postal Meter, Quality Hardware, Underwood, IBM, irwin-Pederson.
Some common commercial copies are: Auto Ordnance/Kahr, Iver Johnson, Plainfield, Alpine, Universal, and Erma. Iver Johnson, Plainfield, Alpine and a couple others parts are interchangeable with USGI and use some surplus parts. Universal and Auto Ordnance are not interchangeable with USGI parts.
GI carbines will hold or continue to appreciate in value, besides being a part of history. Commercial loose value. GI carbines have forged receivers, and are stronger. The commercial ones have cast receivers.
Two more good books you can get for under $50. U. S. M1 Carbines, Wartime Production by Craig Riesch and The M1 Carbine; Owners guide by Ruth & Duff. I think good starter books for those who can't afford the '3' War Baby Vols. GK
Thanks everyone still looking for my first carbine as I am learning tons from you guys
The definitive work on the commercial carbines is at
M1CarbinesInc.com
ram965:
Welcome to the Forum. I second shadycon's advice. I believe you can go to Amazon.com and buy 'U. S. M1 Carbines, Wartime Production', 7th Edition, by Craig Riesch, for less than $20 delivered. In my opinion this book is the best bang for your buck (less than a round of beers) to identify the original component parts in a carbine and give you a little history and general knowledge of carbine development and variations. It has a few errors (all references do) and is not as comprehensive as War Baby ($60-$130 per volume), but for the price it is terrific. If I were just starting out and could buy one book, Riesch would be the book (as a matter of fact it was my first book).
'The M1 Carbine Owner's Guide' by Ruth & Duff is also a good book at about the same price as Riesch. It offers less detailed parts description and more operation and maintenance instruction than Riesch, and includes tables of manufacturre dates by serial number. The manufacture dates published are approximate and somewhat arguable because (with exception of Winchester) there are no written records of monthly production of the carbines. War Baby or the Carbine Club are more reliable sources for approximate manufacture date of a carbine but Ruth/Duff gives you a starting point.
Anyway, if you buy a carbine get a USGI carbine. Every one of them was manufactured during WWII. They cost about the same as, or less than, a newer commercial copy and, as noted by others above, they are made better, work better and will appreciate far more in value than the commercial copies as time goes by.
Warning - you will probably not be able to stop with just one carbine and it will get worse with each one you acquire. But that's your problem - we all have our own!!! Good luck. ChipS