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hi i was shooting my new 8mm mauser hwhich came with 8 old boxes of red an green remington ammo. while shooting had the usualy split case here an there an 2 base break offs. when i fired a shell it didnt sound good at all an shot when wide of back stop, could see impact in snow. pulled shell an there was no neck. futher looking at casing i saw base was marked 35 remington. i check bore an could not see any problems inside. would this hurt the action. thanks you mike
If it said .35 Remington on the case you are shooting the incorrect ammo. You should be shooting 8mm. They are not one of the same. I would think you can do some real damage to the gun or yourself.
Let's see...the 35 Rem is a .358" bullet and the 8mm is a .323" bullet...so you were just a bit over the time pressure curve. That would actually be a straight line from your toe to the moon...it looks like it would fit just right and I'll bet your case didn't lose the neck, it just straightened out. The other had a base separation, which is indicative of a headspace problem. You should take some pics of the empty cases for us... Could it hurt the action? Well, you wouldn't have to look for anything to fill your eye sockets, the receiver would be there. Yes, it's called catastrophic failure.
sorry guys i ment to tell you all the rest of the ammo cases were marked 8mm on base seams llike some one put a 35rem load into box. i went thru ret of ammo an found one other 35 rem but it was an empty. so most of the ammo i shot was correct 8mm
Maybe you should learn proper firearm safety with .22cal arms before jumping into centerfire rifles? I don't say this to insult you it's just that you committed one of the "deadly sins" of firearm handling/use.
If you blow your face off or lose half your hand that's on you but the guy on the line next to you doesn't deserve to pay for your mistakes.
Well, not really. 35 rem doesn't look anything like 8MM. Very stumpy by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmppres
Dangerous, very dangerous ... pressure must have raise near or above proof test, luckily a 98 ( I assume is a 98 action ) is super strong!
Few years back a friend working at guns store told me that he sold a .270 and a 308 both Winchester to husband & wife the following week the husband return to the store with the .270 claiming that he can't open the bolt after he fire ! My friend use a mallet on the bolt handle and when open a .308 brass came out!!!!
You got THAT right. Probably what saved the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto mervicini
My friend use a mallet on the bolt handle
A mallet to open it? seems to me it would take a mallet to close it also.
There was an article in Shooting Times magazine years ago showing what was left of a .270 Weatherby Mag. rifle after the owner accidently fired a 7mm Rem. Mag. round in it. The rifle was literally blown to pieces, some of which were never found. The only part to survive relatively damage free was the barrel, with the 7mm bullet still firmly lodged in the throat. Seems the effects of friction, pressure and a sudden stop as it tried to enter a smaller bore had mushroomed the base creating a very effective plug.
If a 7mm bullet cannot be forced through a slightly smaller(.007'') 270 bore there's no way I'll ever believe a .308 bullet that's .031'' larger can, or a 35 cal. through a .323 bore without similar results. Nope, not in a million years.
Not really, apparently the customers claim the 308 cartridge went into the 270 chamber no problem the bolt close normally, after it fire the expansion of the brass require some help ...!!! and the large mauser type extractor didn't brooke !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by soyarm
1- I know the person at the store well since many years, He has no reason to lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
2- The 7mm rem mag into a 270 weatherby mag chamber will put the the bullet close or right to the lands since both cartridges are the same OAL or the 7mm rem a tad longer the pressure then will spike with no room to go... the long bullet create tremendous friction and kaboom ! When the 308 has a jump and maybe gain momentum possibly the same with the 35 into the 8mm ..in any case I have nothing to gain reporting my story.
Regards to all,
roberto
I've heard tales of .35 remington in 8x57 before. No big kabooms, but it's not pretty. Unlike the Magnums in the story above, the 35 is a "modest pressure" round that doesn't seal the chamber well. Lots of blow back can be expected, which can lead to wrecked stocks, etc. and also may be rough to the trigger puller's face and offhand....
Yep sounds great the usual split cases here and there, don't matter the blow torch affect the gasses will have on the chamber we will just keep bangin' away and see what fun we can have, did you bother to check the cases pre shooting as accepting old ammo and just shooting it from an unknown source not on your life nelly.
I would have pulled the lot and started over in fact I would have just added them to my collection as who loaded them were they factory as you stated there were two 35 Rems in the mix? and as for the few head separations that points to excessive head spacing/stretched cases
Look your probably a really good chap but get this in your mindset mmppres;
THE DYNAMIC FORCES CONTAINED IN FRONT OF YOUR BEAK COULD RANGE FROM 40,000 TO 65,000 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH if you have a catastrophic failure your either in a pine box, seriously injured and deaf and the poor buggers next to you at the range as stated are at risk. Besides was the rifle checked by a competent gunsmith for head spacing, bore condition, firing pin protrusion and cleaned before the range session its an SOP bloke.
Step back buy some good quality ammo and then have fun, get reloading gear a few good manuals ask the gurus on this site for tips and live happily ever after otherwise bloke your on a spiral straight down and I for one do not want to be next to you on a range. Sorry for being blunt but it is what it is and you have to understand what your dealing with. :ugh:
This kind of stuff reinforces my nervousness of shooting some of my firearms. I check and doublecheck everything before taking it to the range. Commercial ammo isn't a problem as it's marked but a lot of this surplus stuff simply has dates, etc on it. With dozens of different calibers, you HAVE to know what you are shooting and what is in that box.
thanks for the info guys an i think i fount out what happened. seam like the guy i got all this ammo an guns from had both cal 35rem an 8mm along with a dozen different military firearms. when i opend the factory box i thought they were all 8mm. upon looking at the carboard boxes seam like they were resealed with some type of glue. so the orginal owner must have had ammo maybe in a pocket of a hunting coat an when done put last to caseing in box of 8mm. the one an only 35 i fires srtaightened out. other one i didnt fire. i pulled bolt an checked every thing right at range. even cleaned bore before i resumed shooting. the case seperation i had were all 8mm r&p factory loads. probably from the 1950's. I try to follow all shooting rule an safety proceedures. Just a mis take in looking at that box of ammo. i still have a pile of ammo cans full of stuff that goes with alll these rifles. some i have no idea about but have ordered take down manuals off line for the different one i can identify. i due understand old ammo will fail. and when they show signs of pressure like primmer backing out or base seperation. i dont finish shooting that box. splits in neck happen also. thank you very much for the help i just never had that happen before.
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Originally Posted by mmppres
There you go. And this isn't the only time I've seen/heard of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
well i went thru the whole one stack of ammo cans over the week end an found alot of different ammo not in right boxes. so that stack is safe to shoot in proper rifles. even found some large rimfire rounds