About those bullets........

I was just over at a fellow "enthusiast's" place and saw something interesting.

A box of 144gn, .311" diameter flat-based FMJ bullets.

The story is quite intriguing.

The raw material is the standard Oz 144gn, BTFMJ (ball projectile) for the 7.62 x 51 as loaded into L2A2 and F4 ammo by the Footscray factory.

These particular bullets have been run through dies that bump the boat-tail back out square and also push out the diameter to .311. I suspect that you would need something a little more robust than, say, the old Lyman "portable" press.........something equipped with a 3" hydraulic ram sounds about right.

He has had these bullets for several years and understands that the bloke who made them has gone to the big loading bench in the sky (or somewhere).

So, apparently, you CAN reform boat-tails into flat-bases AND increase the diameter a few thou.

I reckon Mr. Corbin might have the very tools to do the job, though, by the time you spend that much dough, unless you got the 7.62 bullets FREE, you may as well be making Mk7 projectiles from scratch.

Barnaul Cartridges list a 174gn, .311" FBFMJ in their on-line cattle-dog; anyone ever seen one!

I have an original footsgrey mk7 303 swaging die plus a copy of one that I made up ages ago to suit my 7/8 thread on my rock chucker press and I used to bump up adi 7.62 144gr projectiles the same as you have described ,, I also bumped up some sierra 168 gr pills with great results so this process is not new and does work,,, but a word of advice !!! use lanolin as a swaging lube as if you don't the projectiles will stick in the die

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Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz

I was just over at a fellow "enthusiast's" place and saw something interesting.

A box of 144gn, .311" diameter flat-based FMJ bullets.

The story is quite intriguing.

The raw material is the standard Oz 144gn, BTFMJ (ball projectile) for the 7.62 x 51 as loaded into L2A2 and F4 ammo by the Footscray factory.

These particular bullets have been run through dies that bump the boat-tail back out square and also push out the diameter to .311. I suspect that you would need something a little more robust than, say, the old Lyman "portable" press.........something equipped with a 3" hydraulic ram sounds about right.

He has had these bullets for several years and understands that the bloke who made them has gone to the big loading bench in the sky (or somewhere).

So, apparently, you CAN reform boat-tails into flat-bases AND increase the diameter a few thou.

I reckon Mr. Corbin might have the very tools to do the job, though, by the time you spend that much dough, unless you got the 7.62 bullets FREE, you may as well be making Mk7 projectiles from scratch.

Barnaul Cartridges list a 174gn, .311" FBFMJ in their on-line cattle-dog; anyone ever seen one!

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I am still here I just moved out of there. here are some pics of some more recent ones made from LC FMJ's

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC01539-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC01540-1.jpg

I stopped making them when tipans came out because everyone started buying the tipans

Very cool. I've never heard of this being done before.

I have been trying to get those dies for a number of years . Always told join the QUE i will get to you nothing has come my way yet.

Mr E you must have had a business making dies and projectiles at some time which way are you going now Tiapan are not manufactureing.
I have a supply of Highland 174gnFMJ BTs that need the BT removing.:thup:

Barnaul Cartridges list a 174gn, .311" FBFMJ in their on-line cattle-dog; anyone ever seen one! "

Note sure, ie I have 5 boxes of these, except they are hand marked 0.3105 or 0.310 on the box.

They are soft steel jacketed with a thin copper coat some microns thick (20?), ie very thin. The base is flat and open, dished (helps with expansion?) and seems to be around 0.311 while the main body is 0.310 (I am using a 0~25mm micrometer). Im paying about 31cents NZD for them. So far I am getting about 48mm MOA at 100m, but that is on a std P14 with a sling. I have some to shoot this weekend at 300m V .311 sierra matchkings out of my second accurised No4 mk2. I'll try and put up a electronic target output. NB The sierra matchkings are 83cents NZD. I hope to get to the 100m range in the next month with a hole load of stuff to try out.....

My previous shooting impression with them is Im very happy with them especially for the price.

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I have been trying to get those dies for a number of years . Always told join the QUE i will get to you nothing has come my way yet.

Mr E you must have had a business making dies and projectiles at some time which way are you going now.:thup:

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I am going the way of retirement and lazyness/
I have made a few die sets to use in a large reloading press like a rock chucker. they are not hard to make but are slow and time consuming but rewarding if you want the goodies with out the headache of searching for them. I have also been reforming the 168g and 175g SMK's

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...f16996d2-1.jpg

if you know a machinist that can chamber a barrel I can show them how to make dies
the reforming will work on any lead core bullet but not on steel core and not real good on steel jacketed

I do and yes please.
Tell me more about the 175 SMKs. I several heavy presses as well as a corbin.

pt1 of die instructions sent to those who asked except Bruce:wave: clear your inbox

Cleared!...I hope

+1 please?

I picked up 450 sierra 30cal match kings that were pulled from surplus ammo and 750 30cal FMJBT bullets. both 175 grains
I have been running through the press in my spare time. all the SMK's are done and half of the FMJ's are done
these will be used to feed the BREN and the Vickers
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...04ec45c4-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...cd5d43b6-1.jpg

there is the Mk7 from a 1942RG for comparison. the bullets went from .308 to .312 and lost their boat tails.

When Malcolm was doing the Taipans they were .312 and as those who have used them they were brilliant Taipan only did 1 run of a certain calibre projie per year so you had to time you ammo to the run but it was not at a certain time of the year either which made it difficult.
His biggest seller was to the 'roo shooters in the .224 cal with the norm being @5,000 pills per sale, any way most of you would cringe at his work shop being dirt floored and bush poled and old equipment but they were bloody brilliant those that have used them in their 303's will attest.
I spoke over the phone with Malcolm a few times and he was the old style aussie quite the character he retired I think 7-8 years ago and hopefully he is still kicking I have no idea what happened to his plant perhaps it may be like the Lithgow plant and be resurrected we can only hope

I see from these pics the bearing surface of the .62 pill gets longer which is good, I also see the base of the lead inner is concave a good deal this would help with obturation and give a good seal but I have to ask can they be pushed to .312 or would this make the .BC suffer to much, thanks in advance.
The price is reasonable for the Sierras MK's at one point not long ago I was paying 72 cents a pill for Berger 140 VLD 6.5mm for my 6.5/284 ouch! :yikes:

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I see from these pics the bearing surface of the .62 pill gets longer which is good, I also see the base of the lead inner is concave a good deal this would help with obturation and give a good seal but I have to ask can they be pushed to .312 or would this make the .BC suffer to much, thanks in advance.

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getting the 175's to .312 is no problem. I made the die the same profile as the Mk7 so no matter what I feed into it a Mk7ish bullet comes out just the length varies depending on the weight and construction.

Could I get get a copy of those instructions please?

Dave

Just a question Mr E if you use say a highland which has a cannular will the process blow out the cannular and would this be a weak spot in the projie. I think it is a good idea to re form the projies I am interested along with the rest of the crew it would assist heaps to have a set of these dies.

Cheers,
CINDERS

Not that I know a thing about relaods and all of this stuff BUT could this system work for Boys rifle users......., to enlarge .50 to .55". Or ain't that comparing like with like?

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Not that I know a thing about relaods and all of this stuff BUT could this system work for Boys rifle users......., to enlarge .50 to .55". Or ain't that comparing like with like?

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yes it will work with 50 to 55 but not with a human powered press. all you need is the die set and a press that can get the pressure needed like a small hydraulic shop press that uses a bottle jack.
same basic rules will apply copper jacket and lead core
this method will work for making any size bullet a bit larger

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Just a question Mr E if you use say a highland which has a cannular will the process blow out the cannular and would this be a weak spot in the projie. I think it is a good idea to re form the projies I am interested along with the rest of the crew it would assist heaps to have a set of these dies.

Cheers,
CINDERS

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see my earlier pictures on page 1. they are 147 grain FMJ with cannular and they press ok and shoot good. After reading your question I got 3 and over pressed them to the limit of the press and the cannular is still present with no loss of integrity in the jacket. who makes the highlands. is it the ppu stuff?



as an update on my progress
I finished all of the bullets I have on hand. I did 1200 bullets in 4 hours. (done in my spare time so its in lots of 30 min over several days). that includes the time to reset the die between bullet types. reset took about 5 minutes. its basically press a bullet and measure it and adjust the die body down for fatter or up for less fatter until the correct size is achieved.

Looks from the picture as if the re-formed bullets may perform even better than "flat base" in slightly worn barrels. They appear to have a dimple in the base which should open up and seal the bore, a bit like a Minié ball. Could we see a cross-sectioned bullet?

Mr E, please may i have a set of the instructions?

Probably some of us UK-based shooters can get together and get some dies made.


Thx.

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Mr E, please may i have a set of the instructions?

Probably some of us UK-based shooters can get together and get some dies made.


Thx.

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PM me your email address and I will send you the instructions

if you requested instructions I sent out a total of 4 parts. last part is a video.
If you did not get a part email me and I will send it.
Have fun and keep those 303's firing

Big thanks to Mr E for the emails etc, I,ll be making a start on a set at work this week.

Mr E, may I also have a copy of the instructions as well. We are in dire straights In Aussie with no Sierra MK or minimal numbers of the Hornadys and Flat base FMJ's are only in the dreams of dust.
There are many shooters I shoot 303's with that would be able to keep shooting with flat based bullets made from these dies.
Pm of my email sent.
Cheers, Martin.

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Big thanks to Mr E for the emails etc, I,ll be making a start on a set at work this week.

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bigduke6 how have you gone with making your dies?

Just a note for those of you who do not know but Highland will no longer be making the 174gn 303 projectiles so they will be like Taipans no go anymore. So that leaves us in AUS with Seirra and won't they be rubbing their hands together. :mad::banghead:

Hi, You've got another one interested. Could Mr E or bigduke please email the required info. There's a not unreasonable possibility I know someone who would be willing to make up a few sets. Besides myself I know at least one other who would be very interested in one. Thanks in advance.
Jim.

I reckon these projectiles would be worth giving a go if they were imported into Australia BARNAUL - PROJECTILES I have spoken with the seller and he seems like a good bloke. He was also saying there was a 174gn projectile Barnaul does that isn't listed. Spoke with Taipan Projectiles and it seems we won't be seeing any .303 projectiles out of him for a while. Would be great if Nosler would add a .303 projectile to their Custom Competition range!

Are you kidding Malcolm Bone is still kicking and producing pills in his dirt floored bush pole workshop, last time I spoke to Mal it would be near on 8 years ago still have 1 packet of his 303 projies left man they could group really well came runner up in as issued Spec - 1 303 state championships in 2005 and 2006 they were the best.
But Mal only does 1 run of a particular cal each year and the 'roo shooters take up most of his orders getting 5,000+ projies per order in the smaller cals so the 303 stuff workss, bloke if he still has his same number I will ring him and get 2K of 303 projies off him.......

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Are you kidding Malcolm Bone is still kicking and producing pills in his dirt floored bush pole workshop, last time I spoke to Mal it would be near on 8 years ago still have 1 packet of his 303 projies left man they could group really well came runner up in as issued Spec - 1 303 state championships in 2005 and 2006 they were the best.
But Mal only does 1 run of a particular cal each year and the 'roo shooters take up most of his orders getting 5,000+ projies per order in the smaller cals so the 303 stuff waits, bloke if he still has his same number I will ring him and get 2K of 303 projies off him.......

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I never said that Malcolm was not making projectiles or was putting crap his projectiles. Please read what I said. I know that they are excellent projectiles and i still have 2 or 300 left that I am hoarding.

I received an email back from him saying he would not have any .303 projectiles for at least another 12 months, even after saying I would be interested in a large bulk order. They are coming he reassured. If I can buy Australian made, I do. I can't wait to get my hands on some of his projectiles. This is his website http://www.bulletmaker.com/ Give him a ring and see how you go......

Desksy. I too have e-mailed him with similar requests for bulk projectiles. They really are excellent projectiles. Seems like Baretta Aust now import Sellor and Bellert. They do a few projectiles in .311 as well. Waiting for a reply from them to see whether they will bring in components or just loaded ammo. Sorry I missed the shoot. We will have to catch up soon...

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Also have spoken to Austek and are on the mailing list for their next lot of 151 boat tail .311 projectiles. They featured them in a recent Guns Australia edition. The lady I spoke to said they retail for $55AU. She said they have had excellent feedback from shooters.. Price isn't too bad considering that there isn't any around at the moment. She couldn't tell me when they would be in... Nioa were also pretty helpful. Their next shipment of Lapua will have over 100000 of the .311 125 grain FMJ. I have real good results with them in both the 303 and Argentine Mausers...

Hang on a second Desksy I did not say you said anything about the quality of his projectiles Viz a viz "putting crap on his projectiles" I have nothing but praise for him and his response to you is the same one I got 8 years ago about the run on 303 projectiles it is the workshop itself and his ancient machinery that is legendary bloke how he does it.

And why would I wish to order 4,000 of his projectiles if they were no good, don't read stuff into people's posting bloke it gets them a tad fiesty:ugh:

At least we can agree that they are great projectiles mate.

I don't have access to the equipment or person with skills to make a die up to do this, but if someone is thinking of doing a group run in Australia, I'd be keen to get one.

They aren't Great they are the BEST sadly I am down to my last 500 so I hope he does another run sometime in the not to distant future.

Malcolm is a legend a true old school aussie and great to talk to he makes allot of his own gear apparently but his projies and I say this with respect to the other manu's out there they are for a 303 what Scenars and Bergers are to the effie shooters even the colour of the jackets is totally different from all the rest.

Does Mal still have the same PH No. 07 *****167 as I may enquire what 4,000 of his projies would set me back but I should imagine he would not know when he will do the run for the 303's. better hedge on them Aussie48 I have my last packet as a collectible.

The original projectiles "Bumped" up to .311" and also to .323" were done by Bertram Bullets of Seymour, Victoria. Raw 7,62 M80 (serrated cannelure) bullets from IMI (Israel); maybe Bruce did also some "seconds" from Footscray ( smooth cannelure or NO cannelure (rejects)).

Job was done by Factory Bullet upsetting Presses...not something one would have in their reloading workshop.

We, on the other hand, make CNC-cut Profiled Brass bullets (Mark VII, L2A2 and US M2) from Brass rod. Being solid Brass, they are roughly 1/6th less than the weight of the Lead cored version ( eg: MkVII 174/154; L2A2 144/123; and M2 152/127). Shoot just as well (or Better) than lead core originals.

Doc AV
AV Ballistics Technical Services
Brisbane Australia
info@avballistics.com.au

Hi, me again. Can anyone fix me up with spec's for these upsetting dies? .312's are none existent in England bar PPU's which I've been told are useless.

Is there any chance of making a bulk order from we Boys in OZ to persuade him to do a run? I would be in for 2,500 for starters? If the quantity was enough it might give him the incentive to do a run.

Ill go 4,000.

I'm getting upset :crying:

Why Bunty

Hi all
after doing the ring around it seems that Australia is in a .311 drought.This on a reacrunce of Enfeilditus for me.If a group buy of tipans or for that matter any MK vII clone goes ahead count me in.
Thank you MrE for the info on the die's.
I have also spoken to the importers {via email} of PPu but as the agent for Hornady and Sireea thay had no intrest in importing PPu/Highland projectiles even though the Big US makers had announced that the were suspending production. Also was chaseing the Barnul guys both in Aust and NZ hope that that may come to something.
By the way Hi all first real post and have got the 3oh bug bad again.
Sean

Just looking in again. I'd given up being noticed. I'm still interested in these bumping up dies if anyone can supply spec's - or even a picture & few notes on how they work.
Upsetting is a blacksmith term for making a rod shorter & fatter I was being clever ( I thought) but - seriously I know several people locally who could benefit from being able to adjust .308 to .311 can anyone help?!

Thank you.

I am with Buntline a schematic and dimensions of the dies in question would be good as there is going to be a shortage of 303 pills for quite a time here in Australia and West Aus even worse than the East help would be appreiated

I've been sent some info by Mr E and am investigating further how to go about making a set. Some engineering experience is need (which I have). I will post here my results but that will probably not be until the new year. I could post what Mr E has sent me with his permission. I'll PM him.

As stated Highland have pulled the pin on their 174gn 303 pill that leaves Seirra in the box seat not sure if we get Barnauls here but they would be plenty expensive no doubt of Taipans resurgence unless Malcolm Bone (thats if he is still alive and well) or has trained someone to use his gear then those projectiles making a comeback are just a myth nothing more

Looks like you'll have to wait for me, I'll not abuse the good will of someone who's spared time to help me.

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Looks like you'll have to wait for me, I'll not abuse the good will of someone who's spared time to help me.

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I'm getting upset :crying:

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Just looking in again. I'd given up being noticed. I'm still interested in these bumping up dies if anyone can supply spec's - or even a picture & few notes on how they work.

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I am posting this for others to read my response and ponder at your request from Mr.E and my asking you for help so if Badger or other moderators delete this post well so be it but read on and see my reasoning.

You perhaps have not experienced a real drought of projectiles/powder/primers as we do over here in Australia we have a debacle over the USA not shipping anything out if the Eastern States suffer with supply ours on the Western side of the country completely miss out. (No offence ppl just the way it is)
I will say I must be a real threat to the likes of Sierra, Berger, Hornady, Barnauls and Woodleigh if I made 1 .311 projectile at a time and here I was thinking that we at milsurps helped each other.
I do not feel you engender the comradeship of this site at all, I may not know as much as most people on this site but one thing I do know in the true Australian spirit that we help each other where we can, I appreciate you elevating my beliefs

I apologise if you feel I'm not being helpful. I'll elucidate my posts.
The getting upset thing arose out of placing a couple of posts requesting help on squishing bullets - and then the 'conversation' continuing around me without any acknowledgement, not even a b**ger off.
I appealed again for help after quite a pause and received it via PM from Mr E. He has requested that I don't put this information on an open public space. He has replied to me that he is prepared to help individual forum members so I'm a little at a loss as to why he hasn't PM you.
I intend to try an adaptation (& hopefully improvement ) of the method and equipment shared with me & if successful (or even not) I am intending to post the results of my efforts as soon as I've had a chance to try things out. As they will be my own work I'll not feel obliged to withhold anything.
As regards Me E's dies sets I'll say only this - they are pretty much what might be expected & I hadn't proceed with anything along those lines as I had thought there might be problems with such a set up, but it appears to work quite well.
As regards shortage of bullets and ammo - we here in the UK are not immune from the whims of the USA & I wouldn't have pleaded for info upsetting .308's if a decent .311 was available over here.
I am well aware of the point of forums but it appears I haven't come across so well as I might in this instance, for which I appologies again.
All I can now say is - watch this space.

I have just been reading through this thread. Mr E has been quite helpful & PM'd at least two other members with the same information he's sent me, ... so why the attack on me for not posting this stuff on the forum?
This process has formed part of his business in the past, as far as I can gather, & he has told me it may again which is why he doesn't want it widely publicised. I now find myself in the enviable position of upsetting either him or you just by asking for the sort of help usual on a forum such as this.
I'm saying no more for now.

I dont mind sending the info to forum members all you have to do is Pm your email to me and it will be done. I am trying to avoid making it searchable so thats why I have never posted the details on the web. I also never thought there would be so much interest in this subject.

Its not for me it is for my son who in 43 years time when he is my age wont have to scrimp and be held to ransom by some bureaucrats signature as I am still waiting for my HART barrel 6 months down the track from the USA (As I said before also Kreiger, Lothar Walther, Bartlein are all snowed under)
Anyway as we have seen that as the ages go by things dry up and seeing as our govt in its infinite wisdom past turfed tonnes of 303 ammo into the ocean you get that????
I had and idea of taking the finished diam out to .312 whether the extra thou will cause a difference as the .312 Taipans shot well as we know barrels are getting tired and replacements on the $'s expensive side so trying to get and extra 1,000 out of them seems a good ploy and for some of us that will last us a few years.

I saw this a little late. I live in Austria and most of the ammunition I get is S&B. I just ordered a box of bullets from them with diameter .311 (the box is marked 7,62, but some of them also say for .303 British, and this is what they load in their ammunition.
I have a box of 123 grain, which are flat base and a box of 180 grain which are boat tailed. I have never reloaded this ammunition before, but I will play with it this winter when it is too miserable outside. I think I pay 15 Eurocents for the 180 grain and 13 cents for the lighter ones. I get it by mail order so I pay a little for transport as well, but we get a few people together to buy stuff at one time, so that is not such a problem.

"Russian" bullets and barrels make for interesting study.

The 7.62 x 54 R for the old Moisin Nagants and the very latest belt-fed Russian toys was designed using the archaic, pre-metric Russian measuring standards.

The Moisin Nagant was called the "Three Line Rifle'; a "Line" being almost (give or take a thou') 0.100". "Three Lines" is pretty much .30 cal.

HOWEVER, almost everyone had their own ideas about "proper" GROOVE diameter and, by extension, BULLET diameter.

MOST "Russian" 7.62 bullets mike out in the region of .309 - .312; quite a range, but they seem to have worked fairly well for over a century.

I have used "Eastern bloc" projectiles for the 7.62 x 54R in .303 loads. I prefer NOT to because of the boat-tail, hence the interest in Mr. E's nifty technology to convert "modern" bullets into "old-fashioned" ones.

Well, the lighter ones are completely flat based but the heavier ones have a chamfer on them. It is more of an installation help than a genuine boat tail. If you like I can send you five of each in an envelope so that you can have a play. I guess it will take a couple of weeks to arrive, though.

These "Bumped up" bullets were made by Bruce Bertram ( Bertram Bullet Company, Seymour, VIC) back in the 1990s, using both MF/ADI 144 gn. projectiles and imported IMI (Israeli) M80 (US) 148 gn, Projies. I have several Packets of both .311 and .323" ( "8mm"..7,9mm for the Cognoscenti)...most were available at the many Gunshows that Bruce Visited when he first set up his Plant.

Nothing special...he just used the appropriate shaped Solid Shaping die with Meplat expeller Rod, and simply "Bumped up" the Milsurp Projectiles ( in a Factory Bullet Press). The L2A2 he got when Footscray closed and scrapped everything; the Israeli he got when he ran out of Aussie scrap. He was also importing Pre-formed Cups for Cartridge Drawing at the time from several sources.

AS to usefulness, these "Bump-ups" was Marginal. Good for Practice and Weekend Plinking, but not anything else. A niche to be filled at the time ( very hard to get cheap .311 and .323 Projies)

Of course, Now AVB-TS makes CNC "LEAD FREE" Projectiles in Military profiles, at affordable Prices
Currently .308 (US M2 and L2A2 Profiles) and .311 ( MkVII profile)

2015 release: Balle "D" Lebel, Geschoss "S" and "sS" Mauser, and Geschoss M30 (Steyr)

All Nominally "8mm" , but with diameters from .323" ( 7,9) to 326" (Lebel), and .329" (Steyr).

Brass Bullet weights about 5/6ths of Lead-core Bullets, about 7/8ths of Steel core (German) Types.

Doc AV
AV Ballistics Technical Services
info@avballistics.com.au
Brisbane Australia


Yes, we ship Internationally, if you can afford the P&H Air Parcel. ( 100 Mark VII brass projies are 1 Kg...(2,24 Pounds).

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These "Bumped up" bullets were made by Bruce Bertram ( Bertram Bullet Company, Seymour, VIC) back in the 1990s, using both MF/ADI 144 gn. projectiles and imported IMI (Israeli) M80 (US) 148 gn, Projies. I have several Packets of both .311 and .323" ( "8mm"..7,9mm for the Cognoscenti)...most were available at the many Gunshows that Bruce Visited when he first set up his Plant.

Nothing special...he just used the appropriate shaped Solid Shaping die with Meplat expeller Rod, and simply "Bumped up" the Milsurp Projectiles ( in a Factory Bullet Press). The L2A2 he got when Footscray closed and scrapped everything; the Israeli he got when he ran out of Aussie scrap. He was also importing Pre-formed Cups for Cartridge Drawing at the time from several sources.

AS to usefulness, these "Bump-ups" was Marginal. Good for Practice and Weekend Plinking, but not anything else. A niche to be filled at the time ( very hard to get cheap .311 and .323 Projies)

Of course, Now AVB-TS makes CNC "LEAD FREE" Projectiles in Military profiles, at affordable Prices
Currently .308 (US M2 and L2A2 Profiles) and .311 ( MkVII profile)

2015 release: Balle "D" Lebel, Geschoss "S" and "sS" Mauser, and Geschoss M30 (Steyr)

All Nominally "8mm" , but with diameters from .323" ( 7,9) to 326" (Lebel), and .329" (Steyr).

Brass Bullet weights about 5/6ths of Lead-core Bullets, about 7/8ths of Steel core (German) Types. The Lebel Balle D will be pretty close to its original solid "Bronze" ( 90/10 Brass) weight of 198 grains.

Doc AV
AV Ballistics Technical Services
info@avballistics.com.au
Brisbane Australia


Yes, we ship Internationally, if you can afford the P&H Air Parcel. ( 100 Mark VII brass projies are 1 Kg...(2,24 Pounds).

I want to change diameter bullets S & B SPCE .323 to .330. Advice on how to?