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Anyone have any thoughts on the P14*T currently for sale on the Joe Salter website? I'd sure love to own one but it looks like wheat will have to hit $30/bushel before I can afford one. I'm curious to see if it's possible to verify that the one for sale is genuine as opposed to a replica.
Ridolpho
How about a link to save us all a lot of time ... :lol:
British No. 3 Mk. I* (T) Sniper Rifle | JoeSalter.com
Check the MKL and compare it against the example there... ;)
No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle)
(Manufactured by Winchester - Serial #W196128)
c/w Model 1918 (3x) Scope (Mfg by Periscopic Prism Co. Ltd.)
c/w 1908 Web Pattern sling (Mfg in 1913 by M.E. Co.)
Regards,
Doug
Saved sales advertisment information for posterity and future member research ... ;)
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British No. 3 Mk. I* (T) Sniper Rifle | JoeSalter.com
Item #25178
British No. 3 Mk. I* (T) Sniper Rifle
Price: $5,995.00 U.S.
Maker: Winchester
Model: P-14
Caliber: .303
Description: Serial #W241142, .303 British, 26” barrel with a very good bore that has light-moderate freckling within the grooves. This is a Winchester-made Pattern 1914 rifle with the fine adjustment elevation screw rear sight and was one of 2000 such rifles earmarked for conversion to sniper configuration in 1918 via the removal of the volley sights (only the forend plate is still present) and installation of a Pattern 1918 scope. The rifle has retained 90% plus of an overall World War II phosphate finish with slight silvering at the muzzle as well as along some of the high and projecting edges. The rifle has matching numbers on the receiver and bolt while the scope, which is installed on correct original claw mounts with offset rear base, is numbered 80 higher (241222). The scope itself has a post and line reticle with crystal clear optics, crisp “PERISCOPIC PRISM CO Ltd/MAKERS LONDON” marking, and the flaked remnants of the original dark green painted finish. The scope sits securely in its mounts although the release lever on the back mount is a trifle loose. The walnut stock with matching handguard is in fine condition with legible British markings on the right side of the butt: “IE* (in circle)/PATT. 14”; and minor handling marks and small surface blemishes scattered about the added military oil finish. An expertly done armory repair is present at the butt. These excellent rifles were built too late to see service during the First World War but some were used during the Second World War by the Australians and also by Ireland postwar (Irish contract guns are the most common but were equipped with BSA scopes). It is highly unusual to find a British marked No. 3 Mk. I* (T) in any condition and this example rates very good-near fine overall. {“British Empire Sniper Rifles, S.A.I.S. No. 22” by Ian Skennerton; 2008} FFL or C&R
Scope is original, front scope block is replacement, rear scope block aswell, bolt is renumbered.
I would be skeptical. The patina on the scope shows more weathering and use than the rifle and the scope mounting provisions. Salt Flat
Besides what the guys above have pointed out, it's a mix-master with a combination of Eddystone butt (stock as well?) and Winchester components ...
There's no rifle serial number properly stamped on the rear sight protector (right side) as there should be, or on the underside of the fore-stock ahead of the magazine plate. The serial number on the bolt handle is scribed, not stamped as it should be? Also, there's no Mk1* conversion * stamped on the bolt handle either? Check the MKL example for comparisons..
I'd like to see the top wood removed and check the serial number and other markings on the barrel. I'd also like to see the rear sight flipped up and pics of it's underside to see if it has Winchester W markings.
Anyway, just my opinion for what it's worth, but this is not one of the original 2,001 conversions.... ;)
$6,000 U.S. ..... Caveat Emptor ...
Regards,
Doug
Enfield scope mounts
There you go for the scope mount which is present on this rifle.
It is a P.14. They have one piece stocks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Badger
Regards
TonyE
The fourth one down, as it appears on this posting date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Promo
Doh !! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyE
Thank you Tony.... :thup:
My mind was wandering elsewhere ... :banghead:
Regards,
Doug
According to reliable published sources BSA only converted 79 of these for the Irish Free State. In the 1960's the Irish Free State snipers made their way to North America through the surplus arms trade (Interarms?). The Irish Free State Rifles have the traditional BSA crossed rifle logo on the tube and the little FF cartouche on the scope bracket.
Jim
Jim is absolutely correct .. :thup:
There's also an all correct example in the MKL of this rare sniper...
No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle) (click here)
c/w matching Model 1918 (3x) Scope Serial #226763 (Mfg by B.S.A Guns)
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG
(Click PIC to Enlarge)
This is one of only 79 rifles converted by B.S.A Guns, contracted between July 27, 1935 and completed by Dec 9, 1938. The scope and rifle are "all matching" with "all correct" fonts and markings for collector comparisons.
There are several follow up sections with additional pics noted in the "Collector's Feedback and Comments" section of the main library entry, showing the "Fianna Fiel" and BSA font and stamping examples with extreme close-ups, which are helpful in spotting incorrect or reproduction components.
Regards,
Doug
Somebody bought it ...
I wonder if they'll end up here posting pics and asking if they got a good deal or not... ;)
Regards,
Doug
I notice that the rifle serial number isn't engraved on the side of the right rear sight protector. It should be there but since the finish looks almost Parkerized, it may have been swept away by the bead/sand blaster? Usually there's some remnant visible. Mine has been through Weedon and although the serial number is filled in with the WRS blue finish and the engraving no longer bright, it's still quite legible.
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Doug already pointed that out I see. I'd guess instead of being one of the 2001, it was assembled in 2001! I'd also guess the scope bases aren't original but new reproductions.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...stuff043-1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by JGaynor
Despite the short comings it rates high on my very cool factor meter...