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Came across this auction.
Got to wondering if these are Rejects.. Due to cosmetics?
Reading the descript.... Surely these aren't 'Tumbled Clean' While live?
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Every one of these rounds appears to have minor squeezing on the bullet, where the jacket has been pushed up by the neck crimping.
Sounds like a pretty hard crimp.......... Your Thoughts..........?
Thx,
Charlie-Painter777
1400 Bulk 30 Carbine Brass Ammo No Reserve! : Rifle Ammunition at GunBroker.com
Charly,
Some places do vibrate clean ammo after loading. I used to get Cowboy ammo from an outfit that did. As for the crimp, I would shoot it. Maybe not accuracy ammo, but good plinking fodder. As far as price, that's a steal!
I don't know anything about A-Merc, but I don't like what I see in pics # 3 & 4. If those individual rounds were hand picked, the quality on the rest would be highly questionable to me. I even had to send back 500 rounds of BVAC that I thought weren't crimped right, and they replaced them no-charge. Especially, I would not buy these with the thought of reselling them. I agree that vibrator cleaning is probably no big deal. - Bob
Just wondering why Factory Closeout....... Hand Inspected Ammo has to go through a Final Tumble Cleaning.
After a search of:american ammunition inc problems
I Have read enough about A-Merc, to take away any interest I may have had.
Thx,
Charlie-Painter777
Based on personal experiences with American Ammunition products in the past I would'nt have this crap if they gave it to me.
I wouldn't shoot A-Merc ammo for free. I won't even keep their brass when I find it at the range.
Tell me more. I have no experience with it.
That there is some JUNK if guys wouldn't shoot it up for free. The bullets gotta be worth something,,No?
look at seven o'clock. looks like two with the primer turned over.
I read some comments from my searches that the bullets had/have a thin very cheap copper dip. Some going so far as calling the FMJ's "as looking like the lead had just had a bath in copper"Quote:
Originally Posted by WarPig1976
Other complaints were the brass was very brittle.... often found with uneven wall thickness. Brass not reloadable. Flash holes misaligned.... Primer pockets oversized, Primers falling out and no or uneven case rims.
New boxes where the bullets are/were packed with the bullet tips facing down in a styrofoam packing and when pulled from the original box the bullets fall from the cases..... Others with extreme crimping that had bulged cases and deformed bullets.
Bullets from a single box measuring really short or long, plus split case necks. Some reported loads very under powered, Some reported loaded as a double charge. Also other reports of major key holing............ ETC
Came across a AR15 forum (from part of my overall search results) members there state issues they've had with many different calibers of A-Merc.
It was reported at one time that BUSHMASTER PROHIBITED the use of A-Merc Ammo, but the link is not up to date.
Here's those comments in this link to one AR15 Forum:
Ammunition review and reference
FWIW,
Charlie-Painter777
I know nothing about this ammo manufacturer. Pic #3 almost looks like a roll crimp - not good in .30 carbine that headspaces on the case end. And nowhere does it say this ammo is non-corrosive, or even boxer primed. If the bullets are cheap copper washed lead I think one can assume the powder and primers are not really grade A quality. I wouldn't buy it for the value of the projectiles. JMHO
That's a taper crimp die used in a progressive press like Dillon. Two pics show what appears to be a slight gathering of bullet jacket at the case mouth. This stuff might not work very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipS
In pic #1 looks like at least 3 are missing primers. GK
In one picture, it looks like there is an upside down primer, also.
I'll bet the primer thing is just the light reflection on the primers.
I see 4 in the first photo that appear to have upside down or missing primers but it may be the light and angle causing them to look that way.
It's been at least 10 years since I last shot any of this ammo but I don't remember seeing any cases with the A-MERC head stamp back then. It was either recycled commercial or military brass. I've seen WW, R-P, FC, Speer, Hornady and military cases all mixed together in one box.
I tried some 9mm, .45 ACP, 38 SPCL, 30 carbine and .223. All but the 223 was loaded with plated bullets and accuracy was awful with the 30 carbine. The bore was lead lined after the first and only 15 round mag I shot. Had a couple cylinder lock ups with the .38 SPCL from bullets jumping under recoil. The 45 ACP just wouldn't feed, may have done better with a ramped barrel. The 9mm functioned ok although it felt weak. The best of the lot was the .223, It gave good accuracy out of a Howa 1500 Varmint. It chambered fine, fired primers looked normal, extraction was smooth. It may not've did so good out of an AR or Ruger Mini but I can't complain about it's performance in the bolt gun. A buddy had some bad experiences with some 32 ACP once, a squib round left the bullet stuck in the bore.
It all looks like re-loads and that would follow considering the taper crimp evidence. I've found the wash bullets to be so much tripe also.Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
I have picked up .30 Carbine brass for reloading and on further inspection the cases were all split. Any Amerc brass goes in the trash..
Given the general consensus re the materials and assembly, it kind of makes you wonder why this ammo (re)manufacturer apparently is not too concerned about product liability. This sounds like a tragedy and a lawsuit waiting to happen. I appreciate the heads-up on this ammo.