U.S. Bayonet ID ???

Hi, neighbor of mine brought a knife (as he called it) in a metal sheath (which is a bayonet) & has the hooks on it to attach to a web pistol belt over to me & wanted to know what kind it is & if it has a collectors value to it? OAL in the sheath is 15 1/4" long, OAL of the bayonet is 14 3/8" long, & the OAL of the blade is 9 3/4. The blade is a single edge (double edge at the point) with a blood groove in it & still has the cosmolene on it & no rust on it, but the metal parts of the handle has a light coating of rust from being exposed to morister over the years. The handle halves are hard black Bakelite. The blade markings by the handle are as follows: A F H a stamping of the Flaming Bomb & U S under it.
Thanks in advance.

Yes it has collector value. Photos would be very helpful but it sounds like a WWII Garand bayonet made by American Fork and Hoe.

Check this listing on ebay and see if it looks like that:

US WW2 Garand Bayonet afh Maker Marked with Scabbard | eBay

Not a metal scabbard though...we DO need pics. Mind, I recently saw a Ross bayonet for sale in a K98 scabbard...

The dimensions are correct for the M1 bayonet that came out in 1943, but the dimensions for the scabbard are not. The scabbard for the M1 is 11 1/4 inches overall, with a metal throat and fiber body. The A.F.H. marking is for American Fork & Hoe, which I believe was a division of True Temper.

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

Yes it has collector value. Photos would be very helpful but it sounds like a WWII Garand bayonet made by American Fork and Hoe.

Check this listing on ebay and see if it looks like that:

US WW2 Garand Bayonet afh Maker Marked with Scabbard | eBay

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Yep, that`s it. Thanks for the link.

a trip to the America page at BAyonet Collection Presentation would identify this and virtually every other 20C US bayonet, in all over 2000 bayonets are shown and most identified

Agree that it is a US WW2 bayonet for the M1 Rifle (or the '03 Springfield, it will fit both but correct for the M1) but the scabbard is all wrong. It would be interesting to see a picture of the two, especially the scabbard.

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Originally Posted by gew8805

Agree that it is a US WW2 bayonet for the M1 Rifle (or the '03 Springfield, it will fit both but correct for the M1) but the scabbard is all wrong. It would be interesting to see a picture of the two, especially the scabbard.

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The scabbard is the right one, I`ve seen pics of it since asking questions about it on here. You are reading my post wrong. I said the OAL of the bayonet while in the scabbard is 15 1/4" long. Not the scabbard by it self is that long.

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Originally Posted by OLDER THEN DIRT

The scabbard is the right one, I`ve seen pics of it since asking questions about it on here. You are reading my post wrong. I said the OAL of the bayonet while in the scabbard is 15 1/4" long. Not the scabbard by it self is that long.

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Originally Posted by OLDER THEN DIRT

Hi, neighbor of mine brought a knife (as he called it) in a metal sheath (which is a bayonet)...

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Right here you said that it came in a metal sheath. That is what is confusing everybody. It should be in a plastic scabbard with a metal throat.

Al

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Originally Posted by Al Diehl

Right here you said that it came in a metal sheath. That is what is confusing everybody. It should be in a plastic scabbard with a metal throat.

Al

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Also, the total OAL of the bayonet and scabbard is not important, but the OAL of the scabbard is.

By the way, the 10" bayonet is the M1 Bayonet, to be used on the M1 Rifle, by a soldier wearing an M1 Helmet.

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Originally Posted by Al Diehl

Right here you said that it came in a metal sheath. That is what is confusing everybody. It should be in a plastic scabbard with a metal throat.

Al

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Thanks Al, it should indeed be a metal throated platic scabbard, not a metal one.

Older Than Dirt, please don't be offended, if your friend's US bayonet has a steel scabbard, it is the wrong one, length makes no difference. The US hadn't used a steel scabbard since the time of the Krag bayonet. We would need a photo of what he has to assure that we can give you proper information to help him. Barring that, for accurate information on the correct scabbard for the bayonet see:

Bayo Points 6

An excellent article by Gary Cunningham showing the development of the M3 and M7 US Scabbards for the M1905, the M1905E1 (Shortened M1905) and the M1 bayonets and the M8 scabbard used for the M1 Carbine bayonets and later models for other US rifles..

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Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers

Also, the total OAL of the bayonet and scabbard is not important, but the OAL of the scabbard is.

By the way, the 10" bayonet is the M1 Bayonet, to be used on the M1 Rifle, by a soldier wearing an M1 Helmet.

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Led by a Platoon Leader armed with an M1 Carbine.:D

Al

Ok guys, I`ll get it back & take some pics of it. By the way the bayonet has a claw lock on it & can go in the scabbard either way as the scabbard has a square hole on each side of it & the bayonet locks right in there like it should. Also I was in the Army in 1962 & the M1 bayonet scabbard was metal that we carried.

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Originally Posted by OLDER THEN DIRT

M1 bayonet scabbard was metal that we carried.

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Still, that would be the first one I've seen...

OK, me Bad, very Bad. You all are correct the scabbard is a kind of fiber reinforced plastic. I looked at it in the sun light & checked it with a magnet. Although to top part is Metal because it has rust on it. Also the scabbard is 10 3/4" long. I guess this is what happens when a person isn`t into edged weapons. They don`t check very good.

I don't think the US used an all metal scabbard since the Krag bayonet. Wood/leather/canvas/metal combinations, leather/metal combinaitons and plastic/metal combinations. I only have one of the first. ?Wood with a metal cap, wrapped in rawhide leather and inserted into a canvas cover. A bolo knife from WWI. The 1917 used a leather scabbard with a metal top, the 1913 used both and the plastic metal combo over it's long life.