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If one had the choice, if you could keep only one, which one would be top dog, either as a collectible gaining value, or as a shooter, no8 or no9?
For those unfamiliar with the numbers as I was all too recently, the no8 is a .22 enfield that resembles a stocky jungle carbine and was purpose built to be a .22 trainer/shooter, while the no9 .22 enfield is a no4 enfield with a .22 conversion.
I have yet to see a No9 anywhere.
Well purely from a collectors / value point of view I'd go for the No9.
The supposed production figures (no doubt will be questioned by someone) are :
No8 = 76000
No9 = 3000
With only 3000 No9s made, some lost, some destroyed and some in museums etc there cannot be a lot of them left on the market.
If you dont want it send it to me - as to market price who knows ?
I would keep both, but the No. 9 would be No. 1.
Hi Everyone. Had to change my username when the forum switched. Been lurking a lot because my new job keeps me very busy (happy to have one, so no complaints!). I own a N09 I picked up about 5 years ago at a very good price. Nice piece. Have no idea as to current value, but they do exist, at least in NE Florida.
Yakster aka Viking Guy
Alan, what is the source for the quantity of 76000 No. 8s? I have read several times that "about 20-25000 were made", but I never saw a source quoted for that figure either.
As to which one I would keep - the chance would be a fine thing. I have never seen a No. 9 for sale in Germany, but several number 8s.
No doubt collectors would value a No. 9 highly, because of the scarcity. But as a shooter, the No. 8 is a beautiful little rifle. I have not yet found a trainer that shoots better than my No. 8. Shot by a regional/national level smallbore expert (not me!) it made one ragged hole at 50 meters and a sub-MOA group at 100 meters. Even this grandpa can manage 1-1/2 MOA on a good day with steady light etc.
Patrick
Click on the links :Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
Lee-Enfield Rifle No.8 for the British Forces
Lee-Enfield Rifle No.8 for the British Forces
Thanks Alan, I looked that up , and found the following:
"Of Ian Skennerton's quoted figure for the initial requirement of 76,000 rifles, we have not for certain ascertained either whether all were manufactured, or the exact date of cessation of production. The highest serial number we have presently experienced is A 22571, on the rifle above. As a guide, that rifle has a base-plate dated 1950, and butt wood dated 1951. Significantly lower serial numbered rifles are therefore likely to have been manufactured between 1950 and 1951."
I.e. 76000 was theory. Practice was more likely in the region up to 25000.
Patrick
The 'trouble' with the No9 rifle, if 'trouble' is the right word, is that it's a doddle to make one up from a suitable No4, Have it sleeved, engrave it properly, and end up with an exact replica. And who would know, 2 owners down the line?
That's the difference between an LB No7/BSA No7 and a No8. They're not so simple to replicate. I suppose you could do it relatively simply with a No8 given a ........, er, yes ..., where is my lathe!
I saw a rack of them for sale at Waffen-Frankonia in Wurzburg in 1980 (funny what I remember). Tried to figure out how to get one home to the U.S. but the ATF wasn't allowing importation of military arms back then. They also had unfired K31s but that was another matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Sukey
Heres a few No8s and No9s for sale, this week apparently..
http://www.turners.co.nz/Auctions/Pa...ea&PageSize=60
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...090a_jpg-1.jpg
My Enfielditis was initially started by service in the Army Cadets at the tender age of 13, but didn't actually get round to owning one until many years later when I was serving in Germany and I too walked through the doors of Frankonia, for me it was in Hannover. Along the back wall was about 20 Lee Enfields and although I'd originally gone in to buy a hunting rifle I crumbled and used my newly aquired hunting license to buy an SMLE III*. I was simply amazed at the ease with which I could buy a rifle or shotgun in Germany compared to the rigmarole we have to go through in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by smle-man
I am told that it is even easier now than it used to be in the 80s. I caused a big stir when I showed up at the rod and gun club range at our kaserne with an HK 91 that I had brought from the U.S. The German running the range was convinced it was a stolen G3. Once we got past that issue the locals all wanted a go at shooting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by harry mac
Donnt cry !!! Auction in New Zealand today No8s , No9s, No4s one each per person only... No off shore buyers allowed, also included wood sets with some or most rifles plus wood sets on their own. Grown men should not cry much.
Just yesterday, several score No9's and several hundred No8's went to auction here in NZ having been saved from the UN edict on destroying defence force weapons. I got a nice No8 (photos to come) and the No9's apparently fetched 600 to 1000 $NZ (currently at .50 $US)
Read it and weap guys...
Speaking of the trainers, does anyone have an idea on how many No 7's were made, BSA's vs Long Branches? I understand there were two production runs of the LB's, but have yet to run down any production numbers.
Thanks.....
Speaking of the trainers, does anyone have an idea on how many No 7's were made, BSA's vs Long Branches? I understand there were two production runs of the LB's, but have yet to run down any production numbers.
Thanks.....
oh, by the way, that's a nice No. 8 you've snagged !
Longbranch production of CNo7 - 1944-1950 = 20,000Quote:
Originally Posted by limpetmine
BSA Production of No7 Mk1 for the RAF - 1948 (only year produced) = 2500
No8's = Fazakerly 15,000, BSA 2000
No9's = Parker Hale 3000
thats a hard one, the No8 is one hell of a accurate a rifle, the No9, is a loverly looking rifle that whilst not as accurate as the No8 is still a heap of fun to take down to the range. I am not sure if i could actually choose?Quote:
Originally Posted by RJWT32