The seller appears to be selling ex-parker Hale items, I assume left over from the factory when they went out of business.
Lee Enfield No4 Stock Woodwork | eBay
any ideas?
L39 or L42 target/competition stock?
The seller appears to be selling ex-parker Hale items, I assume left over from the factory when they went out of business.
Lee Enfield No4 Stock Woodwork | eBay
any ideas?
L39 or L42 target/competition stock?
More like a T4 stock; inlet for the handstop rail.
Interesting the category that it's listed under....
What is a T4?
The T4 was a No 4 based 7.62 target rifle conversion offered by Parker Hale. AJ Parker would have been able to do similar models, along with the various stocks and butts.
Photo is taken from the Parker Hale Gun Catalogue; No 73-74 export edition.
Might even have been able to use that for my No 5 MkII
That T4 rifle....... Even then I thought that Parker Hale were flogging a dead horse when you consider what you could get for a similar price at the time/era
Well the cast marks in the bedding say,
"The writing is just an imprinted from when is was fitted, it has what appears to be crossed swords or flags then '7.62 x 51MM 20 TONS'??
Crossed flags would be the UK military proof?
Cool on the T4, I had never heard of one, thanks for the info.
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I might just bid on it as an item to collect/keep out of interest.
It will be the usual commercial proof marks (and fairly recent at 20 tons).
Someone has been breaking up guns for parts; things like wood can be sold on fleabay without too much hassle from the sight owners.
Many people, facing reluctantly up to the need to changeover from .303, might have taken P-H's exchange option. The system of gun control here is designed to discourage people from doing their own rebarreling or acquiring gunsmithing skills generally.
A super nice T-4 just sold for less than a grand. I was on a different rifle at the time and had to let it go. It was sweet. Didn't know about them.
Bugger....I have never seen or heard of one....
Still now I do...
So what is the inlet at the front for?
It's for an internally stepped hand stop rail and/or a set of stout wire legs. I suppose you could fix a bipod to it as well. Or if you shoot at the speed some of the competition target shooters seem to shoot at, you could fit some tea/coffee making kit into it too
One thing to remember the T4 name seemed to carry over on all kind of every day conversions of the no4 and have never had anything to do with PH, I,ve seen many described as T4,s but are just another average heavy barreled No4 action.
Parker Hale made the T4, and AJ Parker made the identical "Excel" target rifle. AJP even used PH barrels marked "Parker Hale T4"!
About the only way you can tell T4 and Excels apart is that Parker Hale linished the actions and applied a new number, whereas AJP rifles retain the original No4 markings.
Actually, they're pretty good target rifles - probably easily good enough for the 90% of shooters who'd struggle to get better scores with an expensive modern TR rifle.....
(cough)..... I just happen to have a few T4s and Excels for sale this weekend at the IHAM arms fair at Bisley. Actually, they're mostly commission sales or other peoples' rifles, so I'm not peddling my own tat this time.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...09734965-1.jpg
Last sentence commencing 'Excell rifles with...' and ending '...on 7.62 rifles' I'd like to know the mechanics of that statement, how a full length rear-sight retaining screw over a short screw threaded into the sight gives '......the recoil restraint essential on 7.62mm rifles.
Maybe advertising standards were a little more relaxed then or just tooooooo ambiguous to be questioned.
But these rifles go some way to asking another question. Why is it that we hear about all these san fandanglio all singing and dancing replacement trigger mechanisms, when these superb but overpriced rifles were still VERY competitive with a properly set up bog standard off the shelf mechanism
It was a piece of eyewash, and most people used the P-H equivalent with just a short screw through the left pivot and didn't seem to notice any defect.
My club has got several of these Excels, which they want to dispose of. Hardly anyone does centrefire rifle now, and those who do own their own gun.
The inletting will be for a handstop rail. I had an Anschutz rail put in my Mauser conversion.
Reminds me of the Sterling and Enfield blurb for their conversion of No4 to 7.62mm. They implied that fitting a new barrel could be achieved with no special tools etc etc and that the accuracy wouldn't be affected (oh no......!) and even CHS would remain the same! Quite how that would/could happen is quite beyond me
Sadly not in NZQuote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox
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Oh well...
What sort of $s do they go for?
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Send them to NZQuote:
Originally Posted by Mk VII
:D
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I odnt know how heavily the conversions were used elsewhere but a few NZers who had them said the actions tended to stretch. Since teh L42s seemed to last a long time Im left wondering what loopy 308w loads NZers were trying!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I was going to mention your name TB in post #13, as someone who probably had a few etc. As for the above statement if we included other rifles from that era I,d say 98%.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox
My friend bought one of these PH or AJP rifles really cheap just for the barrel which he started to turn down to fit his shot-out No5. We decided that a better option was use a chrome lined L4 barrel which we did. Another bloke in the club carried on with the No5 spec PH barrel project and is still using it.
Just a thought if you have one and don't know what to do with it
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
Going off thread slightly, today at Bisley I popped down to the zero range to check a tatty old P14 tgt rifle I'd picked up at auction - I paid more or less for the TZ 4/47 sight attached to it. Along with the T4s, no-one has taken an interest in it at the arms fair today.
First surprise: far from being shot out, it printed two nice tight raspberries, spot on the 200 and 600 yard sight settings. The ammo was 1969 RG! The bloke next to me was using a top end tgt rifle, RWS ammo - and had a zero target looking like a shotgun had fired BB at it...
Second surprise: some old boy also down at the range said "I made the stock for that rifle" (my P14). I'm ashamed I missed his name, but turns out he was the chap who produced stocks for Fultons and many of the other gunmakers. Looking at my rifle, he pointed out the detailing on the cheekpiece and thumb rest, and said that this was one of his early stocks - "before 1965"! Blimey, Bisley certainly is a small world, when you can turn up with a random 50-year old rifle and some bloke says, "oh, I made that one"...
So, 50-year old target rifle firing 45-year old ammunition puts up a decent showing against someone using a £5k rifle and current RWS target ammo...
Wot, no piccies?
That old ammo being as good as it is is no suprise to me TBox. We were using a load of belted RG69 from stocks returned from BRA (on the boxes which is Germany so they tell me) that had been relegated to training stocks a few years ago and I used some in my L42 just because I could really. It was perfect! Stored correctly it'll remain good
Re No 21 Thunderbox post. I saw the rifle and Zero card when at Bisley both were very impressive.
It proves the old saying "Plenty a good tune played on an old fiddle"Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderbox
Exactly........... As I told my 21 year old female 'companion' several times yesterday...., and the day before that and that and ..................... She's just gone home for a rest!