Looking for some help with my No4

I took the bolt out to clean the barrel and bolt.
After that was all done I was verifying that it works correctly and I noticed that it clicks the trigger twice upon cocking and sliding the bolt back.
I'm pretty sure it didn't do that before. Any ideas?

I know it's the trigger because if I gently put my finger over it, it flicks a bit when it clicks on the way back
You can see how it kicks my finger forward when it does it

The beginning shows you how it cycles smoothly when the bolt is cocked
Afterwards you can see what I'm describing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrii...qIjsdGuZaUXDDA

Could be just the cocking piece running over the Sear as the bolt is moved backwards the first click would be over the half cocked milled section and the last the cocking piece face but it is only my view and may be totally incorrect however the learned pelicans will definitely guide you to the correct source of the anomaly I am just trying to give you a start point.
Good luck, is it a T as I saw the scope pads if it is post the details and the group can pretty much let you know a bit of its history if they can.

Looks like a proper T as I saw the TR on the butt socket left side

Short answer to question above the video clip, nothing is wrong.

Perfectly normal thing, those two clicks - as Cinders says above, the spring loaded sear which lies between the trigger and the cocking piece is deflected twice as the bolt passes to the rear. These two movements often cause the loose trigger to jump.

The bolt cocks on the forward stroke, as the sear has now been allowed to rise up to its full extent, and captures the end of the cocking piece as the bolt is thrust forward.

There is a sequence of six or even seven distinct noises to be heard when cycling a Lee Enfield action slowly.
You don't tend to notice them when going at normal shooting speed.

hmm strange, I didn't remember it doing that. Maybe it did Thanks for confirming that it's ok!
Here's all the markings I've found on it. I don't see where it is marked a T though. I've looked on the left of the reciever where the scope mount would mount to

What can you tell me about it? I can get some pictures up in a bit

I do see M47C then 1944 and the serial number starting with P33XXX and TR under that

There are different markings on the bands up towards the barrel. Are these supposed to match? N79 and S76

On the bottom of the stock directly under the cheekrest it has S5 stamped into the wood
I've read around and usually its supposed to say S51 but mine only has the S5 I don't see the 1

There's some kind of squiggles on the safety lever I can't make out what it is

SM stamped on the part of the sight that moves up and down by twisting the adjustment knob

Bottom side of stock behind the trigger is SL N 74 upside down V and a star

Towards the front of the receiver on the right side is a crown and ENGLAND

It also has a brass buttstock


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...68634921-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...74234014-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...49598067-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...47690188-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...36581721-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...63164376-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...56713212-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...12335395-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...49071963-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...54587768-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...86401977-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...63943225-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...62531611-1.jpg

Looks pretty legit but does it have the scope which the Serial No. should be stamped on the top of the butts wrist section, all the other stuff matches my stampings there should be two other stampings either side of the cocking piece on the small flats I think E6 rings a bell 47C is BSA Shirley but Peter Laidler the most wisest of Pelicans will further elaborate or just go through the threads on the sniper T.
Thanks for posting the pics we all enjoy pictures gives a tangible link to the rifle :thup::)

As a postscript you may ask why I talk about Pelicans it comes from a book I read and have in my library "Fate Is The Hunter" By Ernest K Ghann about the early days of barnstorming and his eventual Captaincy as an airline pilot in the very early days also flying over the Hump and the Berlin airlift. (1st Ed H/C) Get this book it is really worth it.
Guts and death defying flying you bet scary as hell but true and the only one to unwittingly solve un-porting with the Lockheed Tri-Star quite oblivious to the fact as all had perished and without his plane being intact there would have been allot more deaths.
At the preface of the book he names all his friends that had died in the service of the flying population in his words "Their Wings Forever Folded"

It looks like an honest "less telescope" rifle. Selected for accuracy at BSA and converted to No.4T at H&H but never finished with the addition of a bracket/scope. Other than some rough handling marks in the woodwork, it won't have any stories to tell but should shoot like a house on fire when set up properly with a bracket and scope. Even the crusty original Brunofix finish is still present on the receiver. Nice!

I don't have a serial number on the wrist part, at least it's not visible.

What's the brunofix finish? Is that why my receiver looks like it has a texture on it?

What's up with the ENGLAND part being smooth with round circles aound the stamping, looks like the bottom half wasn't protected and got wiped out; almost like it was refinished?

Would you guys recommend I get this if I want to have a scope to go with it?
Full Ensemble for the No. 32 MKI Telescope


I do want to complete the rifle and I've found a few sources that point me to this.

Thanks! :)

I would say no because it is a replica and your rifle is the real McCoy. But you will have to save really hard to get the real McCoy telescope/bracket but they ARE out there. A virtually new 1943 Mk2/1(W) tele and bracket that was virtually made for yours just went on ebay for £1400 or so

I would agree entirely with Brian that you have a nice unadulterated late 1944 'Less Telescope' rifle. I would also agree with Peter that, at least IMHO, it's better to save longer & get a real scope than to get a repro. Maybe if you were putting a clone together, but you have a very nice rifle there........it deserves a real scope. And to be honest, whilst prices of the repro's do vary somewhat, they often aren't that cheap. The extra expense in obtaining a real scope would be well worthwhile in the long run as it will last another lifetime if looked after, & will always be what your rifle deserves........the real deal. Putting it in pure financial terms, too, if you invest in a genuine scope you will get your extra outlay back & more when you finally come to sell it.

ATB.

Annanuvverfing...... Collecting all the parts together over a few years is as interesting as it is a learning curve. And fun too!

Roger/Peter/Brian: I admit to being confused regarding original factory finishes on Rifles, No. 4. I believe I've read in the forum that Brunofix was often applied on Parkerized surfaces during FTR's- was it also applied new at one or more of the 3 British factories? In the case of the rifle in question, was this finish applied at H&H or is it as supplied by BSA with only some "touch-up" by H&H to the areas machined for pad installation? I wouldn't imagine a "Less scope T" would be subjected to an FTR? Any comments would be useful as I don't seem to find much in print about the surface finishes.

On another note, invaliduser: you might consider getting the rifle useable (while searching for proper original scope/ bracket) by buying a fairly cheap aftermarket bracket and putting an old one inch Weaver in it. I did this with a replica "T" and found the Weaver infinitely preferable to the Taiwanese replica scope I eventually bought. As others have mentioned, save your money to put towards a real set.

Ridolpho

No confusion Ridolpho. Brunofixing was a quick fix method used by H&H only to blacken in where the surface was otherwise damaged during the conversion.

A scope less T is like a taxi without a taxi sign. It's just another car - or rifle! It wouldn't have been used and therefore not subject to FTR in my opinion. Suffice it to say, we NEVER saw such a beast in service. The nearest we ever saw was old worn out No4T's that were relegated to DP spec and occasionally the odd skeletonised SKN shortie rifle, (padless of course).

By the time the huge post-war FTR programmes commenced, phosphating and painting was the standard.

I'd disagree with Ridolpho re getting the rifle useable. It's already eminently useable, surely! Save your cheap repro bracket/scope money and put it towards the real McCoy. When you've got it, send the rifle, scope and bracket to someone who knows what he's doing and get it set up properly and it'll serve you well and rocket in value.

While any old bracket might FIT, in terms of a No4T, and contrary to what those who know better keep telling me, FIT ain't the same as FIT PROPERLY, Just my view

Yep, no offense intended to anyone but save up for a real bracket and original scope. Your rifle is well worth the investment and set up properly, will serve you well for a lifetime.

Peter: No argument from me! The cheap bracket wasn't even crudely collimated to my replica. I did have a lot of educational fun collimating the bracket to the rifle bore after carefully reading your various articles and book on the subject. With a lot of elbow grease (and filing only on the bracket) I was able to get a reasonable collimation which the Weaver handles a little better than an original or replica No. 32. If invaliduser were to try this I would caution him not to touch the pads on the rifle period- leave as is for an expert to fit your real bracket to when you get one. And yes, the rifle is useable as is unless the owner dislikes shooting through the peep sight.

Ridolpho

Although yours is marked as mfg by BSA, check the MKL and read this article by Advisory Panel member Lance, along with 165 pic photo montage to compare components:

1942 No.4 Mk1*(T) Savage Sniper Rifle (less scope)

The Transit Chest for "T.Less Telescope" was used when building and for storage of these partially completed snipers.

Regards,
Doug

I'm open to purchasing the real deal scope if it comes up
There is one on ebay right now but it's a 1945 scope. Would I be looking for a 1944 to go with my gun?

Since my rifle never had a scope it really wouldn't matter if the scope didn't match.

When you say have it sent off to someone that can put it together for me, do you have a recommendation?

As you say, your rifle was never fitted with a scope during its service career, so in some respects it doesn't really matter, so long as the fit of the bracket to pads is true. 1944 rifles are rather nice in that all UK produced models of No32 were fitted to them; a few had late Mk1 scopes (the scope manufacturing company William Watson was bombed by the Luftwaffe so was late in changing over from Mk1 to Mk2 scopes - hence you do see 1944 dated Mk1's produced by them), many had Mk2's, a few Mk2/1's & many had Mk3's. So, you have a pretty wide choice!

ATB.

DRP has answered the suitability question so if you want a 1943 Mk2/1(W) with bracket and lens caps contact me. But as for fitting correctly, I'd suggest Brian at BDL but no doubt there will be others who say they can