Will we get a new Johnson Forum to replace the old one?
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Will we get a new Johnson Forum to replace the old one?
I know we had the least traffic of any forum, but we should get points for "coolness."
We should get off the scale cool points. I really like the 41 Johnson.
I wish I had one to talk about
I think the reason for the least used forum is the fact that there are very few M1941 Johnsons around. I have heard estimates that there may be as few as 3000 or so rifles left.
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Originally Posted by joem
wow,
glad I got one when I could afford it!
it was a holy grail rifle for me, took a few years, but finally found a good rifle at a decent price,
now I'm scared to shoot it!!! :yikes:
(well, not really)
I just put 200 rounds through mine. My philosophy is if I haven't shot it in a year, it's sold for something I will shoot. No wall hangers or safe queens.
I looked for one for over five years, maybe closer to ten. I finally found one in pristine condition with an original bayonet and a sales brochure. I keep saying I'm going to shoot it, but too many other rifle and pistol projects take up my time.
Can you submit a picture?
JoeM How much did you have to pay for a rifle like that
I've had three Johnson M1941s over the years, the most expensive, from Sarco, being US$99.98 plus 3% tax. Navy Arms used to sell the bayonet and scabbards for US$2.50. That WAS a few years ago.......
I'm hoping we get a Johnson forum here.
I just got mine!
$4500.00 for the whole rig. Wish I could have paid less but I guess if you want one in excellent condition that's the price. I will try to post picture later.
BarryinIN: "I'm hoping we get a Johnson forum here.
I just got mine!"
Your in the Johnson Forum.
Nuts!
But..but..but..It didn't exist recently when I looked! I ran a search and found this same thread I saw before and posted in it.
Nice stupid post for the new guy to enter with, huh?
I purchased one a few years ago for $600.00 along with a lot of extra parts
haven't shot it yet they are a nice looking rifle.
I purchased one a few years ago for $600.00 with a lot of extra parts they are a nice rifle
Sorry about posting two times its not me its the site
What type parts did you get? Anything numbered?Quote:
Originally Posted by gary
I have -4- Johnsons. 3 were sporterized. One I purchased the receiver only from Sarco in the early 80's and put it together with a parts kit from Armex.
Gerry
Anybody want to sell one I'm interested
Yeah, I'd wonder why anyone would do it once, let alone twice unless they just get a kick out of the attention.
There. I just gave you ten seconds' worth.
I have a good friend up here in Canada who has a Johnson but needs a barrel for his. Can anyone out there help me out or at least point me in the right direction?
I just saw a Johnson for sale at the Vallejo, CA Gunshow on Saturday. The sniper guy, Stan, had it on his table. Lots of attention, no cash buyers.
I went to a small local gun show and took the Johnson along. Caused quite a stir. Dealers following like dogs after a bone.
The title says it all...my FIRST Johnson.:super: I like this rifle so much that I think I'll make Johnsons my newest hobby. Now I want to buy or trade for another and another. Plus any and all parts.:help:
My new Johnson is a Deluxe Winfield Sporter. It has the cheekpiece buttstock with rubber recoil pad, the ramped Sporter front sight, and the original rear sight...no scope thank goodness! It's got the best bluing job that I've ever seen.:rolleyes: It's supposed to be parkerized in it's original military configuration, supposed to have a bayonet lug and a plain stock with metal buttplate. I want a full military configuration Johnson but this one is growing on me!:eek: I hate to sandblast that beautiful blue job, but changing out the wood buttstock won't bother me at all. Replacing the front sight with an original, and adding a bayonet lug, is not all that hard but will ruin the blueing on the muzzle end of the rifle.:ugh: I don't know if I can re-blue that area and make it look nice or not? Usually any attempt to "restore" a military rifle will ruin it's value.:bash: But with the way the 1941 Johnsons were returned to this country by Winfield Arms, and mostly all of them were sporterized in one way or another, I can't see that a parkerizing job and wood cleanup, could hurt anything. I think I'll just take it a step at a time and keep the bluing for now. If I could buy another blued barrel WITH the bayonet lug and original winged sight, then I'd be all set! Other wise it is probably best to start up the sandblaster and heat the parking solution. Any thoughts? Thanks, TANKER
Oh, yeah...the pictures are here:
http://www.hunt101.com/showgallery.p...r=8666&cat=500
It's a nice Winfield it should stay that way.
Thanks Cecil, that's sort of my thinking too. But I still want one in full military configuration.....so....who knows where another one is for sale or trade? I love to trade. Cash is tight but I have loads of trading material. If there is anyone reading this who has any sort of 1941 Johnson, which they would part with...please let me know. Even parts will help. I have several types of semi military firearms and some unusual pieces. I also have various antiques like all sorts of old vending machines, gumball machines, peanut machines, A 1947 Mills "HighTop" slot machine in 5 cent denomination and it's legal to own in your own home, a 1952 Seeburg Jukebox (like on Happy Days) and it's just like new, 1970s Honda 350 Motorcycle in totally original condition, very low miles...just needs a good cleaning up and seat repair, antique candy machines and cigarette machines, Drive-In movie speakers, neons, beer advertising, many old signs, condom dispensing machines, Kotex machines, perfume dispensing machines, etc. etc. Semi M2HB, 1919A4, MG42 semi, ARs, AKs, Fn-Fals, M1 carbines, and several parts kits. Tons more. A wee bit of cold hard cash. michaeleroper@comcast.net
Hi Guys. New member here. I have a full military Johnson that I've owned for 15 years and I absolutely love it. It's dead on accurate and one of the biggest things I like about it is that of all the 30:06 I have shot, it has the least recoil. I can shoot it all day without a recoil pad on my shoulder and not be sore. At my age, that is nice.
Interested in hearing from any other Johnson nuts out there.
Joseph Scott has ae least 5 Johnson's for sale.
I must say I was surprised at how well mine groups, but "accurate" it's not- It requires a 400m setting to be an at 100. Too bad there's not more activity on the forum concerning these rifles, but I'm afraid there's just not enough to go around, and prices are stupid high.Quote:
Originally Posted by EXCELSIOR03
You guys live in a pretty exclusive neighborhood for certain jmoore.
I'd like to read more about them here on the forum too, just out of interest, but there are so few around there doesn't seem to be many postings on any forum.
The one thing I am curious about is I seem to read that many that are not original GI-
Were Johnsons sporterized more often than other rifles from this era?
Thanks,
~ Harlan
Let me reread the details, but I believe the company involved, Winfield Arms, was associated w/ Johnson directly. They did the work to keep his hand in the business, whilst he was developing new products, including the 5.7 Spitfire- possibly the first "modern" PDW, of which the 6mm Knight's Armament is a real descendant.
From cafdfw:
"The one thing I am curious about is I seem to read that many that are not original GI-
Were Johnsons sporterized more often than other rifles from this era?"
That's a good question. It sure can seem that way, and here is why I think so.
Winfield Arms bought a bunch of Johnsons belonging to the Dutch and brought them to Canada. Then they sold them in the USA, either after sporterizing them (to varying degrees) or just selling them as they came.
They advertised three basic versions- a military model, a mildly sporterized model, and a deluxe sporter, but it looks like they mixed "features" until there was some overlap.
This is just a guess, but I would think that a rifle's condition determined what changes were made. Like if the stock was chewed up, it got a sporter stock. Or a rotten barrel would get replaced.
In other words- enough was changed to get it sold.
I have no way of knowing for sure, but I am guessing most of the Johnson rifles we see now were once sold by Winfield Arms (even if they weren't modified).
Depending on where you look or who you ask, Winfield could have obtained around half the Johnsons ever made. If that's the case, or anywhere close, it is very possible they handled the majority of the Johnsons remaining today. Instead of passing through several importers or distributors like most ex-military rifles, Winfield might have seen most of them and were therefore able to do their deed.
So yes, I do think the percentage of sporterized guns is a little high with Johnsons, and that's why.
But there is something else to consider.
Something that makes them stand out is the fact they are semiauto and it was unusual to sporterize a semiauto then. You don't see many Garands, SVT40s, or FN49s with sporter stocks and hooded ramp front sights. I suppose you could say that is because Winfield Arms didn't sell Garands, SVT 40s, and FN49s :) .
But this fact does make the sporterized Johnsons stand out, and maybe seem more common.
Thanks for the feedback guys! I had never heard of the Winfield connection.
What a shame they chose the Johnson to mess with! Though it's sad there were so many 1903's etc, sporterized, there were many, many 1000's of them surplussed and lots of them escaped this fate.
The Johnson was unique and fairly exclusive from the beginning. :crying:
I just traded for this 1941 Johnson. It's not the typical rotary magazine variety. This one has a vertical magazine which makes it a "V" type Johnson as opposed to a "R" (rotary magazine). The conversion was done so well that I don't believe it is a "Bubba-done-it" rifle. Bubba in not that caliber of gunsmith. I know that Marlin made Johnsons for the commercial market and Taft-Peirce did too. But I can't seem to find out if they actually sold any. Somewhere I read that only 20 rifles were made in the vertical magazine configuration. There was a lot of research and development going on at the Cranston Arms factory, Marlin, and Taft-Peirce. This rifle may be one of the prototypes that was made, or a "proof-of-concept" model. I'd like to think that it's rare and not a Bubba made rifle. Every thing about the construction of this rifle seems to be "factory" quality, but not meant for the commercial market yet. The stock is made of three pieces of wood that are joined with a "dovetail/lap joint" type of woodworking that would have only been done by a professional woodworker or factory. Here are some pictures.
Beats me what happened. But it is interesting.