Hello
I need help trying to figure out what I have. It is a Savage walnut stock in a NO2 design. It is not a NO1 converted it is actual NO2 cut, with Savage metal and S stamps. Any help as to what, how or why?
Thank You
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Hello
I need help trying to figure out what I have. It is a Savage walnut stock in a NO2 design. It is not a NO1 converted it is actual NO2 cut, with Savage metal and S stamps. Any help as to what, how or why?
Thank You
Er............ what sort of stock are you talking of. Stock BUTT or stock fore-end?
You just haven't given enough detail I'm afraid!
Or, a No4, MKII maybe? As, opposed to a No4 MKI. (I can't talk, I made a similar mistake in a post):madsmile:
Are you talking about the tie bar vs the screw in the forearm?
Al
We don't even know if he's talking about the fore-end yet....... The butt fits all the criteria he's talking about too. No more info, no answer I'm afraid Bob!
Aha Moriarty! I can see all in my crystal ball! If modoccob supplies picture all will be revealed and those with the knowledge can impart their findings for us all to share and learn..pic 's my dear person helps heaps.......
Or just a decent explanation..........
Sorry to confuse. I think my mistake is to think that the only significant difference between a MK1, MK1* rifle stock and a MK1/2, MK1/3 or MK2 was the altering of the rear portion of the forearm section of the stock (removing the wood bridge) to allow the MK1/2 trigger to be hung from the receiver. I believe the MK1 and MK1* use a "tie plate or bar" where as the MK1/2 use a bolt. The stock that I have asked about is a compete stock for a MK1/2 or Mk2 using the threaded bolt or screw at the rear of the forearm to allow the MK2 receiver to fit the forearm. The butt stock and upper forearm parts are no different than those of the MK1 orMK1* ( to my eye that is). The stock is walnut, it is clearly marked with the Savage S in a square on the metal forearm tip and the bottom of the grip portion of the butt stock.
My problem is that, as I understand it, Savage ceased production of the NO 4 rifle sometime in 1944, the MK1/2, MK1/3, MK2 conversion started some time in 1949. The stock I have is not a MK1,MK1* that has had the wood removed from the rear of the forearm, and patched to allow the use of a bolt instead of the tie bar to accommodate the MK2 trigger. It is a actual stock whose original design and cut was for the MK2 trigger system. The information I can find relates to Savage Arms and production of the NO4 MK1*from 1941to 1944, with no mention of anything to do with the conversion or manufacture of any parts or stocks for the MK1/2, MK/3 conversion or the original MK2.
If I knew how I would post pictures here. If you would like to contact me with e-mail I will gladly supply them. I ope this clears up any issues about my question.
Thank You
I can see the metal being of Savage manufacture but I'm not convinced the wood is: 1. walnut or 2. Savage manufacture. Although some say they have seen walnut furniture on original Savage rifles, I'm not one of those folks and I've had literally hundreds of Savage No.4's through my shop in the past 25 years. Are you sure it has the Savage stamp on the wood and not just the forend cap? Metal forend caps as produced by Savage have been fitted to many No.4 forends in service and during new production. In fact, many wartime, ROF Maltby rifles are full of Savage manufacture parts that were shipped as spares and used during wartime production. A picture would be worth a thousand words.
What are your seeing that looks like Savage markings on the wood of the (fore)stock in question? (Marks on detachable metallic stuff like bands don't count.) I ask because I have a clear impression that the usual Mark 1/2 and 1/3 conversions included new forestocks made in the UK (where the conversions were performed).
Do try to help our poor confused brains by using consistent model designations. Your original post makes it appear you're referring to earlier rifles. "It is not a NO1 converted it is actual NO2 cut . . ." Seems likely you meant "Mk" rather then "NO". (Rifle No1 is the SMLE and No2 is an SMLE in .22 rimfire.) See why we didn't understand?
(Sorry Brian, this was a "simulpost" - couldn't see yours until I posted mine a couple minutes slower.)
No worries here Para. We're on the same page.
There were many original forends converted/cut out and patched during Mk.1/2 and 1/3 production. Not all had new Mk.2 forends fitted. I'd guess some did though if the original was tired and ready for replacement.
Check this out here...................Home | All About EnfieldsQuote:
Originally Posted by modocbob
I've been in the Enfield game for a long time, understand fore-end configurations and think of myself as reasonably articulate/literate but I am totally lost.
But taxing my literary senses I can say that you have NOT got a Savage made Mk2 type fore-end
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...bde&view=print
O.K Gentlemen I hope this works. Let revise my question. Does anyone have any information pertaining to what appears to be a Walnut MK2 forend? Like who made them, when and where? If this does not work would someone please tell me how to attach photos to these posts?
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Gentlemen
Let me revise my question. Does anyone have any information pertaining to the manufacture of a forend of what "appears" to be a Walnut forend for a NO4 MK2. I am not asking about a Walnut forend that originally housed a NO4 MK1 or MK1* and was later converted to house the MK2 receiver. I am asking about one that is of original design and cut solely for the MK2 receiver. Savage Arms is no longer part of the question
Thank YOU
Sure, if it's marked with a "P in a square", it's a Turkish walnut forend as made for Pakistani No.4 rifle production. This wood was available via Century Arms back in 2010 or thereabouts. I had a few sets and it was lovely when cleaned up and treated with RLO. The handguards were very oversize and took a considerable amount of fitting.
Are these the correct photos? Item pictured is made from beech, not walnut.Quote:
Originally Posted by modocbob
Jona is correct. It's a standard beech Mk.2 forend in need of a bit of TLC.