CASE STG TEL No8 Mk1 Leather strap dimensions?

Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to measure their CASE STG TEL No8 Mk1 Leather strap dimensions for me please?

I will never come across an original strap here in the states.

I want to have one made, I know a expert leather craftsman, He would put his stamp on it of course so no need to worry about trying to pass something as a fake. Besides it would be obvious it was a custom made replacement. I have not been able to find much info online about his part of the no4 mk1 (T) CES.

If anyone is willing to give the length, width and thickness, stitching pictures and buckle pictures so I can see how they put them together to give to my friend I would greatly appreciate it.

Below is a pict I found online to show what strap I would like to replicate.

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Thanks,

Corco

Save yourself a bit of trouble Corco. There's a bloke in the UK that's been making them for years now. Perfect replicas. Jonathan Moore, a leather work maestro and he used to frequent this site. Anyone out there know how to contact him for Corco? Tell him I need my leather bondage gear repairing too........ Just joking......

Jon's web site with contact details is here:


http://www.mooreleather.co.uk

i have seen some military leather straps 1" by about 5 1/2' for sale, are these close to the dimensions needed?

thanks

Here's mine, which I believe to be genuine. Leather is 106 cm long (plus the buckle beyond that). 24mm wide and about 3.5mm thick.
It is a completely useless object, as it is impossible to open the tin once you have threadedAttachment 69299Attachment 69300Attachment 69301Attachment 69302Attachment 69303Attachment 69304 the strap through the keepers on the tin.

You are right Rob. Totally useless. The only good thing about these straps was that they were used as trouser belts by the Armourers

Numrich arms also sells a cheap repro.

The later ones we had were joined with a tapered and sewn 'scive' (sorry if that's not the right word). The join sometimes/most times wouldn't fit under the steel loops so the new strap was just left in the chest and the sniper reverted to doing what he always did. Used a webbing strap in the telescope box and stole the sling for his trousers!

I always preferred the web strap for the No.8Mk.1 case. Unfortunately, originals are equally or even more difficult to find.

I bought one of Moore's replica straps for a No. 8 MK. I case. It fit perfectly. By the way, the straps are short if one is thinking about carrying them in the field. I cannot recall seeing a single photo of one being carried in the field.

To open the case one must slacken off the strap on both sides.

There must have been a lot of Armourers with secure trousers because most of the straps are missing from the No. 8 MK. I cases that I have seen.

I'll sadly never deal with Jon Moore again. Took payment for a PPCo scope case and lens caps, all nice and emails from him up till the date of supposed delivery, then nothing. Wouldn't return emails, nor answer his phone/return messages after I received his number from a website domain lookup.

A real shame as I bought one of his No.8 case straps about 10 or so years ago and it's brilliant. Was really looking forward to getting the case and caps as everyone raved about his work.





Paul.

I think he now lives abroad...... NZ seems to ring in the old memory cells....... That'd be a fair reason for non reply to you. But while I knew him in a very slight way and appreciated his work and quality, I never heard of anything underhand or dishonest about him. I am sure in my bones that there WILL be an explanation.

He was living up towards the Scottish border at the time. I left a message and my number with who he was living with who said he would get back to me, but never did.

After a good few weeks of no contact, his domain lookup had his registered address on it and I offered to come and pick the bits up if he wanted, he then sent the money back after a very basic email asking for my account information. So it all left me feeling very confused.

As said, it was a shame, I hope there was some reason behind it and that everything's alright as he did fill a niche sector with exceptional work.





Paul.

Well I'm pleased you cleared that up, your first post had me under the impression that you did your money.
But now it seems you received a refund, understandable if the individual was upping stakes for a different world.

Can anyone provide a photo of the buckle arrangement used on the web version of the scope can? Was the same web strap used on the web carrier that replaced the can?

I'll ask Doug to post a picture I have here. Stay tuned.

The ones we used were simply 37 or 44 pattern cross straps or that sort of thing. The two ends of the strap were simply joined underneath with a standard non-slip web buckle

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I'll ask Doug to post a picture I have here. Stay tuned.

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Here it is ... :thup:

In the eighties I'm sure I saw the really green long nylon utility straps being used (not so long once around the tin), the ones with the black metal buckle. They had a shoulder pad that slid on via several elasticated loops and looked very similar to the shoulder pads on the clansman radio bags and GS Bergen straps.

37 pattern webbing strap, Army Webbing

RobD, Those aren't the correct ones. They're too short. Originals are 57" long and were made in both P'37 khaki and P'44 green webbing. I'm not sure if they were interchangeable with anything else or purpose made but I know I've seen less of the web straps than I have the bulky leather ones. Personally, I much prefer the webbing stap over the leather. Brian

To be honest Brian and others, there's no 'correct' webbing sling. It's the sling that the storeman gave to you when you went into the Company Store and asked him for a decent length sling that'd fit the loops in the box and make it comfortable to carry. The boxes were never comfortable to carry so the tele stayed on the rifle during the stalk!

I understand Peter. All I know is that back in 2001 I bought a pile of original CES items including telescope case straps, both leather and web. The webbing ones were all exactly as I described above so there must have been a certain length that was procured for the scope cases. All of the straps I had were taken from L1A1 scope cases since I just happened to be importing 30 of them, (L42A1's), at the time and I'm sure they were removed so they could be sold to me separately. I sure didn't turn them down because I've never seen so many in one place at one time before or since. I had eleven original IWS brackets too in the same pile of "extras". You know they were liberated from the rifle chests so they could be sold separately too. I got called a crook by many for asking $75 each for the IWS brackets at the time once I got them back to my shop. I wish I had them all back!!

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I wish I had all the rifles back too come to think of it!!! :crying:

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I'll sadly never deal with Jon Moore again. Took payment for a PPCo scope case and lens caps, all nice and emails from him up till the date of supposed delivery, then nothing. Wouldn't return emails, nor answer his phone/return messages after I received his number from a website domain lookup.

A real shame as I bought one of his No.8 case straps about 10 or so years ago and it's brilliant. Was really looking forward to getting the case and caps as everyone raved about his work.




Paul.

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Unfortunately I've suffered the same fate with Mr Moore. He was very responsive and very helpful last October regard a set of PPCo lens covers. I made payment and I haven't heard a thing since after sending numerous emails. I've accepted I'll probably never see the lens covers or my money again.
Buyer beware!!!

Unfortunately I will never deal with J Moore again. I sent him a prototype leather cheek piece for the M41B Swedish Mauser Sniper. We agreed he would make a quantity for me at an agreed price and that I would sell them (as it was my idea and my prototype that he copied). Once the first batch ran out I would order another batch. I paid in advance, never received the quantity agreed and found out that he had been making them and selling them direct before he had even sent me mine that I'd paid for in advance. Usual story of long delays, unanswered emails, failure to deliver on a number of occasions. He does great work but does make mistakes (which of course are never his fault) and as a result of first hand experience I wouldn't trust him.

I've got his home address if anybody wants it and can be bothered traipsing all that way. Be nice to knock on his door and put the good old MK1 attitude adjuster into action though.