Gunbrokers K 98 BCD 4 Sniper Rifle opinon.

I purchased a K 98 German Mauser Sniper Rifle less scope from a guy on Gunbrokers last evening. Im starting to second guess myself on if it was a good buy, According to his description it has the letters BCD 4 ,barrell and receiver are numbered the same, numerous German markings ,If you go to the Gunbrokers web sight you can see it i think iitf still posted. If you have a chance i would like your comments it is item #439232178.

German sniper mauser k98 98k : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com


Thanks Tom

Wow, $1,625.00 for a R.C. K98k with scope mount and rings. Do you know if the scope mount and rings are original or repro? I am not sure about K98k value in the U.S.A. but over here in Europe you can get a R.C. K98k like that with a reproduction scope mount and safety between $650.00 and $900.00 depending on condition.

Whilst do you meen by RC. Thanks Tom

RC is for Russian capture. Most are a mix of serial numbers and early and late parts.

Approximately three million German soldiers and their weapons were captured by the Soviet Union during World War II. The weapons were dismantled, reconditioned and reassembled. Most of them have the "crossed rifles" mark, it looks the letter X. During this process they mixed up all the parts, that's why they have a mix of serial numbers. The weapons were kept in storage and they gave them to communist forces in conflicts all over the world. They showed up in Korea, Vietnam... etc.
"Matching numbers" are important for the value of your K98k. An original all matching number K98k has a higher value than a mismatched number rifle.

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Originally Posted by tschie

Whilst do you meen by RC. Thanks Tom

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Hi Tom .. :)

Check the MKL under Germany ...

Any of the K98k models shown have a discussion about RC pieces and how to identify them...

Example..

1939 Code 42 K98k (Karabiner 98) Rifle (Mfg by Mauser Werke AG, Oberndorf a/N)

Regards,
Doug

Thanks Doug , Im just not sure about this one . Tom

Well it sure looks awesome !! If authentic ? I'd say you got a Great Deal !! Still a beautiful gun regardless. Good Luck !

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Originally Posted by tahoe2

Well it sure looks awesome !! If authentic ? I'd say you got a Great Deal !! Still a beautiful gun regardless. Good Luck !

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Thanks. Tom

Sorry to be a party-pooper, but the finish on the scope mount looks rather too good to be true. Bluing is a form of controlled rusting, and this tends to age even if the piece is never used. This looks to me like very "young" bluing. I may be wrong, but in such cases a hands-on examination is vital - and unfortunately impossible with online auctions.

Please note that the seller does not produce a single item of evidence that the rifle was made up as a sniper by the Russian military, rather than by John Q. Bubba or anybody else at any time up to and including just before the photos were taken.

And one is impressed by the chuzpe of the seller in writing "Barrel bands, bolt and floor plate do not match, which is correct for these rifles..." - as if an all-matching rifle were therefore "incorrect". That is turning the notion of "correctness" - which is arguable anyway - on its head! He should have written "... which is common for these rifles".

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Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick

Sorry to be a party-pooper, but the finish on the scope mount looks rather too good to be true.
I also observe that the seller does not produce a single item of evidence that the rifle was made up as a sniper by the Russians,
rather than by John Q. Bubba or anybody else at any time up to and including just before the photos were taken.

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You've read my mind.

Nope !.........................

The rings are 1" which I think is too small for the German scope. The seller tells me that Russians often mounted their own or Romanian scopes with a 1" dia. Sounds like a lot of bs to me but someone bought it.

Let me go a bit further as I was also a bidder on this one. I noticed that no where did the seller mention the scope mount or rings which also leads one to wonder what is being hidden. I sent a question to which he replied that the mount looked original and the rings were 1 inch which is wrong for a German scope I think (26.5mm?) When I stated this he tells me he is not an expert on German rifles but "that is not true , Romanian and Russians scopes were 1" and some of this rifle were fitted with Romanian and Russian 1" scopes". I thought the rifle worth about 1/2 the asking price as it was certainly not original. I would have been happy to have it to make a repro sniper. If you did pay the full price thinking it original, well, I suspect you have been had. Due to the lack of claims of authenticity by the seller there is little recourse if the gun is not original as he did not describe the rings. I do think his ad stating the gun to be a German sniper is totally misleading. For your sake I hope I am wrong or you got the rifle for much less.

I note no spirited bidding and sold at a near low-ball price. Always makes me back off the deal.

I picked up bcd 4 a few years ago before I had any info on Mauser sniper rifles.
I thought someone had drilled and tapped it for a scope. It was an original sniper receiver but never used.
I couldn't find any indication there was any pins installed for the scope base.
The left side of the receiver was thicker and milled flat as I compared it to my other K98s.
The stock wasn't relieved for the scope base.

Do you still have that rifle?

No I sold it I couldn't resist the offer.

How much have you been offered, if you don't mind me asking? Pity is, most of the guns without all holes are being converted to a "real" LSR sniper, however those withouth all holes are much rarer than any sniper! Somewhen all of us will cry since these early pieces aren't available anymore ..

Any updates on the deal tschie?

Here's an example of the "X" that the Russians put on top of all of the 'RC' receivers they rebuilt. Check for it and/or check to see if it might have been scrubbed off... Even from the few GB photos, it looks like there's been a lot of reworking done on the rifle as covered above by the experts here.

The Germans serialized most all parts on the guns they produced in WWI and WWII, or at least stamped the small parts with the last four digits of the main SN.... I noticed the seller failed to post any Macro photos of anything.

I hope all turned out well.

Best regards,
~ Harlan

Hey Tom. I signed onto GB and checked the whole history and disposition of this rifle.... It looks like you got out of the deal and still managed to get positive feedback and comments from the seller of this thing... :thup:

He re-listed it a couple of times and finally sold it for his original asking price with "No Refunds or Returns"

I'm very happy to see that you got out from under of it Tom.


Take care,
~ Harlan

That thing is a pile of reproduction parts put on a Russian Capture.

Anytime you see a scopeless German sniper for less than $5000 get suspicious. An original LSR with mount will be about $8000 in just decent condition. German snipers are expensive and very widely faked. That is one is a very poor fake.

The complete lack of decent close ups is an alarm bell for me when the seller is asking for significant money. Most legitimate sellers will show all numbered parts as well as acceptance and firing proofs up close. It is a nice looking rifle but a put together outfit completely. Glad you were able to back out.

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