Bren setup on GB if you are into them. NICE.....
Bren setup on GB if you are into them. NICE.....
:nono: for the hard of hearing can you use some sort of sign language to help point the way to the item of which you so speak because I looked and did not see a setup and I like a setup.
I think we have been 'Set-up'!...............................LOL
This must be the one of which he speaks...those torch cuts make it not quite so nice though.
BREN *RARE Daimler parts kit nt Enfeild Inglis SAF : Gun Parts Kits at GunBroker.com
Can we link this bloke to the parts list bloke on a slightly earlier thread?
Can't say, but it does sound a bit like an advertisement...the seller is in Spring Tx and the OP is near Tulsa Ok.
The Mk 2 kit found in a shed was in El Vito Fla...
It sold to man on another forum on Sep 23.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
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Talked to the guy. Exactly as stated above. He bought a house and found it in the shed. Covered in cosmoline.
I made the deal and its being shipped.
Looks like it's still for sale :ugh: BREN MKIIQuote:
I sent him a USPS MONEY ORDER.
$450 total. I used my fedex # to ship
the guy is an attorney and works for the states attorneys office in Miami.
I post again when the kit arrives to confirm.
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Originally Posted by browningautorifle
OUCH!! I almost cried when I saw those torch cuts......
Not -ALL- of the Daimler's got cut up though. Here's my live one:
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Nice gun TactAdv...I'll bet you warm that one up on occasion...
I know that the Mk1's, especially the early Mk1's have a mystical air about them, but the Mk2 is a far, far better, simplified, more reliable, easier to use and maintain gun. As for the Mk3, well it's really a lightened Mk2 for want of a better description. Great gun Tact
So given a MkI with an FTR Mk2 gas cylinder and a MkII with a MkII (not an Inglis MkII) gas cylinder, is there really anything to chose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
And can anyone explain why Enfield, Lithgow and Inglis continued to use the MkI (and unthreaded "MkII" at Inglis) double vented Gas Cylinder into 1945 end of production (and the 1950's FTRs) when Daimler/Monotype were (I'm told) using the unthreaded single vented "MkII" gas cylinder starting in 1942??
Can TactAdv show us a pic of his gas cylinder?
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Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
Yes, of course, I'd be happy to. Give me till tonight to go dig it out of the vault room and grab a couple pictures of the front end for you. Stand by.... ;-)
-TomH
The Mk1 butt for a start..... A bit like a mickey mouse watch. Good to look at but not much good when it comes to telling the time. In fact the notion of a butt buffer was a frill if not a complete fraud - and a complicated AND expensive one at that! The backsight was something similar too. It just did not match the trajectory of the Mk7 ball round at ranges over something that I forget now!
I never really understood why the double row gas cylinders continued in use when the problem was really brought to a head in May/June 1940 and had been highlighted previously to that. However, the fact that shortly after that, new gas cylinders were available and became a replacement part - if you could a) get them and b) if you could get the old one off. The bipod sleeve was always available but rarely cured the venting gas problem. I suspect that the main reason was the licensing agreement. Common sense prevailed
Thanks for posting the link, Jim. :thup: I told a friend about it and he bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
He said it doesn't have the right "slide assembly"? :dunno: :confused: Wish I had a good book about the Bren. ;) Maybe it will come out next year.
There was a statement about that very thing here...glad to be of some help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
It has the right butt slide assembly as far as every Armourer in the world is concerned BAR! The Mk1 and 2 butt slides were obsolescent and as soon as the little marker WSE cropped up (for when stocks exhausted) another marker at Ordnance just sent out the new replacement part. The lightweight Mk3 slide! I'd consider the Mk3 gun butt slide a bonus because they're rare and more highly sought after than a Mk2 type especially if someone has a mix-and-match Mk3 with a common Mk2 slide fitted. Just my view. A bit like buying a 2.6 litre Jaguar and finding that it's got a 3.8 litre engine
Thank you, Peter. He's bringing it over this afternoon for show and tell. I will pass the info along.
If he is planning on welding it up, and needs any measurements or other pictures or data from an un-cut all original Daimler Mk II receiver....let me know and I can provide whatever he wants from my original gun....see pictures above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
-TomH
That's a very kind offer, Tom. Thank you. I will let him know.
Okay, for whomever was interested, here's some quick pictures of the gas cylinder of my Daimler Mk II, dated 1942.Quote:
Originally Posted by TactAdv
I -presume- this is the "original" gas cylinder as installed at the time of manufacture as there is no indications, markings on the receiver at least indicating any later FTR actions??? I'm just the owner, not an "expert" so I'll let you all guys decide what this does or doesn't mean.
-TomH
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It's a Mk2 gas cylinder made by Climax Rock Drill at Redruth in Cornwall and still in business too. It's a press fit in the gun and notorious(?) for working loose. You'll see a single row of gas vent holes. Inglis commenced production of the Mk2 gas cylinder but carried on with the double row of gas vents. Why, nobody seems to know but I underestand Inglis changed to the far superior single row shortly afterwards, in line with Monotype - and the drawings!
Thanks for the I.D., Peter!
How easy is it to find loose, un-attached, BREn gas cylinders now?? Over here......I swear I have never seen one by itself, the only "spare" ones are all installed still in torch-cut DEMIL-ed receiver chunks. Not really what I was looking for.....
Are they, of any Mark, reasonable to try and remove??
Do proper drawings still exist somewhere? Is there enough demand to try and go make a short run of any of them??
-TomH
I have a few gas cylinders, if anybody needs one.
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This is the serial number of the 1942 Daimler Mk2 parts kit my friend got.
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They are fairly easy to get in the UK. Loose Mk2 gas cylinders were tightened up by slightly over-reaming the taper pin hole a tad more and replacing the taper pin with a new one but driving it in harder. Don't confuse a loose gas cylinder with a loose gas blast plate. (that's the blast plate immediately to the rear of the cylinder shown on the bottom left cylinder in Vince's photo). As for removing a worn one, as opposed to a loose one, then they can be a real pig. Accept that it is scrap and weld a xxxxxxg great nut to it, clamp the body, get it red hot and unscrew the cylinder.
The bottom Mk1 cylinder in that photo is US, its all twisted and the top 2 have been damaged also putting them US.
So far as I'm aware, Inglis never manufactured the single row gas vent cylinder. Once Inglis completed production in 1945/46 they turned over all left over work, tooling and government paid/owned machinery to Canadian Arsenals Limited (created from Small Arms Limited- Long Branch on Dec 31, 1945).Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
If you look at Dugalby's book, the .280/30 experimental calibre Bren built on a 1945 dated Inglis body shows the double vented cylinder.
I've physically looked at several 1945 dated Inglis .303 Bren MkII's and each one had a double vented cylinder.
Canadian Arsenals Limited (CAL) probably/certainly did manufacture MkII single vented gas cylinders - - I am told that the war-time dated 8mm MkI Brens show double vented cylinders, while the post-war "clandestine" 8mm Bren MkI's (manufactured/assembled by CAL) are found with single row cylinders.