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I'm not an aficionado on Arisakas, but I can usually research and find out what I'm looking at. This one has me stumped, but I'm still thinking about buying it.
I've posted it on a FB group and some other places and the best lead I have is a Chinese Type 19 carbine. Not much info I can find about those, either.
Any help appreciated!
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Catch22, It looks like a training rifle to me. Check to see if the bolt has no locking lugs and if the trigger guard and lower tang are cast as one. Salt Flat
That is a North China Type 30 carbine !.................
That's what I'm thinking, Tom. Working on an arrangement to meet him and get it bought before he changes his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
I saw that worksheet, just never saw anything to answer the questions when you checked it off. THere's a couple of articles that I've read on it that point to this being a North China gun. The question I'm trying to answer is if it's a Type 19, Type 30, or if there were multiple variations ofthe Type 19 and this is one of those variations. As I understand it, there's not a lot of documentation about these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifl...china-type-19/
The action is a Type 30 Arisaka, what makes it a North China Type 19 or 30 is the bolt & the aesthetic like no wood on top of the barrel..............
Gotcha. I'm finally starting to find a very little bit of info as I keep researching.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
It seems these are just little known variants that were never really documented. As I'm getting it, the Japanese used the Chinese to manufacture various arms in like three different plants. Where I get confused is the designator of "Type 19" and whether a T19 is any of those variants, or a specific one.
I'm kind of excited to get this thing in my hands. I'll be getting with him later in the day to figure out how to get it in my hands. Sale price looks to be $140, so I figure it's worth a gamble. Not many guns I've seen that aren't worth that much.
Yeap, the difference`s in the bolts are like the Type 19 has an extractor like on a Mauser & the extractor on the Type 30 is on the front end of the bolt like on an Type 30 Arisaka. Arisaka went with the Mauser style extractor on the Type 35 or 38 I am not sure without looking it up !....................
OK, I think I'm on it now. So it's a "North China Type 30" as opposed to a Type 19 variant.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
Not that it matters at this point, as I'm buying it, but any off the hip estimate on what they value at? I've had guys say $200 and I've heard $2500. This is what I hate about uncommon weapons. LOL Biggest reason I'm trying to determine that is to convince the wife why I bought another gun. LOL
I've got one guy that's trying to tell me it's some kind of trainer model, not worth more than $100. Supposed to have a cast receiver and unsafe to shoot out of.
Here is the kind of stuff you see on a training rifle.............
http://www.castle-thunder.com/datasheets/trainerds.pdf
OK, that's a lot different setup. Helps me rest a bit easier. I'd really rest easier as soon as I have it in my hands and not his. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
I`m sure 200 bucks would NOT be a bad price for her !..................
The deal as of now is $140. Unless he backs out on me. Part of why I want to get it done and in my hands! LOL If it's valued what some of the numbers I've heard, I don't want to screw around with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
Take it !................
I am, just waiting to hear back from him about getting together to seal the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303tom
There is a Arisaka type 30 carbine on Gun Broker right now started at over a grand !...............
Holy &%#$! I'm going to have to watch that one. I would hate to be "that" guy to turn around and flip one, but that'd buy some other guns on the list in a hurry. LOL Like the Garand, 03A3, .... LOL
In all seriousness, the fact it's Japanese, even if made in China, is what drew my attention to it. Grandpa fought in the Pacific with the 27th ID, so I have been wanting to get a collection of both American and Japanese weaponry from the era to display one of these days. This is likely going to be in that display.
So far it'll be this and a Type 38 I just bought. Still need a lot of additions to get it done and done right. And the approval of wall space from the wife. LOL
Catch,
Yep. I saw your post on Facebook... and also thought it was a trainer. As I am no expert.
I am glad that you posted here, and got some good information from these experts.
I hope you get the deal!
IMHO, I would put it in the gunsafe and not resell... as I am a collector... not flipper.
Thanks for posting!
I wondered that at first, too. The more I find on it, the more I'm confident the guys saying it's a Chinese Type 19/30 are right. I still can't wrap my head around whether or not the Chinese copied Type 30 is referred to as a Type 19, or if a Type 19 is a different weapon, or what's going on there. But it's North China built, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midmichigun
I'm sure it's going to go in a safe place for at least a while. I talk flipping tongue-in-cheek more than anything. I've got a couple I got a good enough deal with the intent of using to trade up or get the cash to upgrade (an M44 and Enfield No 4), but this is a bit of a different deal.