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I was in a couple of other forum and came across a Topic from CMP about some Inlands they have seeen a 44 and a 45 without the Month and there are pics of tbem. The 45 picture was not there no more, but ive been searching for a month on mine '45 Inland and cant seem to find a month. Now did they marked the month very light and besides the name and year are there but very worn, but all i see is the 45, Thanks
Frank
Also they were saying this is not rare to see this, but most have them, but say they are plenty Inlands without the month and this is commmon knowledge, Thanks
Frank
I think it's just a worn die that skipped...
Then why is this 44 in the middle and not of to the right, thanks
Frank
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I was womdering so i googled Inland Rifles without the month only the year and a bunch of sites showed up about it, Thanks
Frank
Probably because the die was started a bit more to the left side on some. The last digit of the date is right under the ''M'' in motors where it should be. My 1-44 Inland has the ''1'' so lightly impressed till you have to hold it just so in good light to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by imntxs564
Barrels with no date at all are pretty common, but I wasn't aware of those with only a year. :dunno: - Bob
WIll this hurt the value, if you can't see the the month, ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by vintage hunter
Frank
Won't hurt anything as far as I know. It's still all there as they marked it. Hasn't been altered.
Some Pics of the parts with Markings DSC_0130.jpg Photo by dpd3672 | Photobucket
I would like to see the whole barrel and hear some provenance. From what I can see I don't even think this barrel is an original USGI barrel. Stamping is very ragged with letters misaligned, and it looks like it was done last month - maybe it was. Possibly a left coast knock-off? JMHO, ChipS
I don't think there's much danger of it being reproduction...
i also received 4 usgi operating guide Springs 2 are10 5/8" the other 2 10" which should i go with, Thanks
Frank
My 1 isnt visible at all, i tried e erything to find it i see the dash and 45 but you have to see it at the rignt angle then there it is, but for the 1 i seem to not be able to find it. I know it had to be a 1, i look up Inland site in wikkpedia and it list the month and year according to the SN, Thanks
Frank
I would not trust anything off of Wikkpedia. Too many times the information is all wrong on almost any subject. List most of the serial number and someone can tell you if the date is correct or not. USGI recoil springs should be in the area of 10 1/4 inches long. There were at least two different times that Inland didn't date their barrels with one being in 1943 and the other in 1944.
It tells you this information comes from Inland, they just dkd make it up....look at whefe they got there source from and you probably will still not go by what Inland said.
One thing is for sure, Wikipedia didn't get the information from Inland as Inland didn't publish or release it after the war and it was later mostly pieced together by collectors who found information about Inland production. I will say if you believe in what that site may say your sadly misinformed. If you want to get some of the best information available then get a copy of Ruth's War Baby and read it from cover to cover then read it again to get information you may have missed the first time. If you really want to get into carbine collecting then become a member of the carbine club. Then buy all of the past issues of the news letters and again read them all then do it again. The information in War Baby and the news letters is as good as it gets. HTH
The Inlander. Vol 1, Issue 1, 1935-36
Dayton History Books Online: Home Sweet Home Front: Dayton During World War II by Curt Dalton. 2000. "Factories Gear Up".
History of Inland. Inland Manufacturing Division, General Motors Corporation. Dayton, Ohio. April, 1964
General Motors in the Twentieth Century by Alan K. Binder, Deebe Ferris. Ward’s Communications, 2000s, This is where i go through and read alot aboit Inland u der wikipedia but i guess theres other sources
Frank
Who could fail to be impressed by the wealth of carbine info contained in a 1935-36 issue of The Inlander. Bet it's chock full of serial number data.
Post a link to this supposed source. I can't make heads or tails of your scribbling.
It wasnt my scribble it was copy and pasted , thanks. Scroll down to read all the page the ones in Black and White, but i bet a you seen it before....Thanks
Inland Division of GM in World War Two.
Frank
The Inlander. Vol 1, Issue 1, dtd 1935-36 was six years before the first carbine was manufactured. At that time Inland didn't even know they would be manufacturing M1 Carbines for the war that would start three years later.
There is absolutely no carbine serial number data in Inland's Personnel Divisions Training Section History report.
Inland did publish some serial number data in the form of weekly test reports. Some of the reports have surfaced but most have not.
Wikipedia and Harrison's book are the two absolute worst sources for factual information on the M1 Carbine.
First of all I was stating that i could not find the 1 and since nobody answered what month i was looking for i did my own research on diffefent sites and they were all coming up with a 1 thats all, then you turned into (this is fact) i got this from The Inlander, first of all i went to that website that lead me to another and another and was seeing they were putting it at 1 for January and of course even i knew Inland wasn't making Carbines at that time or didn't even know they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianQ
Frank
Inland and Winchester were both making carbines in January 1945. Inland made about 88,000 carbines that month and Winchester made about 31,000. Both of them continued right to the end of the war and finally finishing production in September 1945.
Thanks Bruce, but " The Inlander" I started to look at was dated in the late 30's and he was thinking i was getting the information about Inland Rifles from those years. But i was looking at that and then i moved on to other links from there. Thanks for offering more knowledge i really appreciate it,
Frank
That is probably the best advice to a new person who wants to know the history and workings of the M1 Carbine. Joining and getting the back issues is $300 well spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
The Carbine Club was started by a small group of guys in November of 1976. Next month will be 38 years. That's right, 38 years. As time has passed, newly discovered information changed the original thinking on some subjects. Very interesting to see the evolution in knowledge about this weapon. The back issues may seem costly to some at $280. But you will get 380 issues that cover everything about and associated with the M1 Carbine. Reading the want add section you will be amazed at how the pricing has changed over the years as well.
Good post Bruce.
I own every Inlander magazine from 1938 to 1976 I will have to look and see if any information is discussed about this subject.
I found "The Inlander" on the web which someoone attched links fo it. I never knew there was an Inlander
Frank
Here is some of the Inlanders and employee badges
Thats a really nice collections, Thanks
Frank
I didnt want to start a new thread but maybe someome will come across this, i have some markings on my stock that i havent been able to find out about. Between the Oiler cut out and Buttplate is a letter C and the the other side between slingwell and Buttplate there are 3 numbers, would anyone know what these mean, Thanks
Frank
Glad to see you back Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by PBI