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Hey x85 I'm a new guy with lots of #4.
I have my shooter which is a what I belive is a bsa., it has a 2 Grove barrel.overal it's in good shape& well painted..
My ? Is the bolt head. Are the o longer then let's say a 2?.
What the deal with the different #?...
Others will no doubt chime in and assist you with you Q's I cannot vouch for your rifle but seems strange a BSA would have a 2 groover (never say never though) as my BSA has a 5 groove the O-3 bolt heads go upwards in size as the No's suggest, but every rifle is different so you just cannot replace a 0 with a 1 to tighten up head space because there are lots of other points to ensure it is correct.
There are plenty of threads to view about the bolt heads etc on this site and believe me well worth reading, time consuming yes but there is the knowledge contained there that has been earned by training and hands on experience with the Lee Enfield family and its derivative AKA No.4's.When you can post some pics of the rifle as the forumer's here like pictures and can help identify things that may be missed by the untrained eye.
Have fun and welcome to milsurps
Welcome Aboard x85. If it has a 2 groove barrel, I would say you have a Savage !........................PICTURE`S please.................
Here is a post I made a couple of years ago - might just help a little
No 4 No5 Bolt Heads (Update)
When I purchased it I was told it was a bsa.1.bolt dosent match # on rec.eiter .2. brass.dosent. (common by what info . I've gotten here)last .3 fires and i get split cases..and 4.there is no manufacture name on rifle..why.i got all kinds of numbers?
Oh and thank you for the welcome..I've got lots of #4.sav., lone branch 43&50.& fraz.43 rtf in 54 a couple of the mummy wrap irish rifle too. (1 I Un wrapped..I just had to!).thx.
Not quite following what you are sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by x85
I was told it was a bsa.1.bolt dosent match # on rec.eiter .2. brass.dosent. (common by what info . I've gotten here)last .3 fires and i get split cases..and 4.there is no manufacture name on rifle..why.i got all kinds of numbers?
- can you post any pictures ? can you explain the problems ?
What do you mean "Brass doesnt (common by what info I've gotten here)"
Brass doesn't do what ?
What ammunition are you using ? Are they reloads ?
I think he is writing in textspeak or pigin Swahili, both of which are an alien language to us mere earthlings in forumland. Didn't understand a word of it..........
This should help Milsurps Knowledge Library - Headspace 101 for .303'sQuote:
i get split cases
I'm with the Captain - x85's written language may be of extraterrestrial origin - or possibly a product of the U.S. "educational" system. If English isn't his native tongue, however, he gets a free pass.
Here's a translation of post 5 for all of you who can't make any sense of it.
When he bought the rifle he was told that it was manufactured by BSA
1, the bolt s/n doesn't match the receiver s/n
2, case life is short. As he understands it, according to what he's read here, it's a common thing.
3,when he shoots the rifle the cases split
4,theres no markings on the rifle to indicate who the manufacturer was and he'd like to know why. Adds that it has lots of numbers
Next he expresses his thanks for the welcome he received in posts 2 and 3.
He finishes up by saying he has lots of #4's, a Savage, a LB, A '43 FAZ that was FTR'd in '54 and a couple of the mummy wrapped Irish contract rifles, one of which he has removed the wrap from, cause he had too. And finally he says thanks. End of translation...............
I got what x85 was on about but shooting a weapon when the cases continually split would have me looking seriously at the headspace or the chamber is grossly O-sized if he is using factory loaded ammo then it could possibly be said the rifle may have headspace/chamber issues but if reloading his own ammo for all we know he could be using 45grains of AR 2206H behind a 215gn Woodleigh projie with a CCI-215M primer !
Could the finish be covering up the US property !
Anyway there are far smarter people here to answer or extrapolate the issues for x85
sorry guys for the confusion. I've got a bad sinus infection. And it's effecting my gramer.Oh buy the way x85 is an american..ha ha..Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
I will try to post pics.soon once I figure it out im using a smartphone for the pictures. So am I correct to assume that only American made #4 only used a 2 Grove barrel? And yes i do reload for them ,the ppu brass last the longest, i also use win.& r&p brass.im using Hornady 150sp&174fmj.also ppu150sp&fmj.im using a mid load Imr 3031. I appreciate all the info.im receiving here.pics comming soon I've got more questions. But I've got to upload the pics first..thank.
"only American made #4 only used a 2 Grove barrel?" No, there are documented instances of 5 and 6 grove barrels but most production was 2 groove same for Long Branch. Very likely if a gun has been re-barreled after the war via FTR I think your should see 5groove barrels.
I just got 100 PPU, so I an still working my way through it fire forming it, but it looks good quality so far. Brass life with a no4 isnt that great especially on hot loads. On starting loads eg 38gr ADI2208/varget) the brass lasts a lot longer it hardly stretches at all either compared to say 43grain.