All matching #'s but not the mag, mag is original
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All matching #'s but not the mag, mag is original
They should be all over Gunbroker for example...not scarce... svt 40 For Sale – Buy svt 40 Online at GunBroker.com
They seem to be very expensive but around us they're more like $400 or so. Even the snipers aren't particularly pricey for us... SVT-40 (Russian military surplus) semi-automatic rifle | Lever Arms Service Ltd. - Firearms – Shotguns – Rifles – Pistols – SKS – Vancouver’s Premier Gun Store
Here in the colonies I paid $900.
That's a lot. Here in Canada they aren't bad. Something must be odd, like ours are parts or something. They're in the grease though, the snipers are only a bit more and brand new...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
That's a good idea Jim... I've used Gunbroker results to judge current value of guns for years just to be in the ballpark. I just go to 'completed auctions' on GB and then view the sales prices of completed auctions
It has to be what price guns actually sold for, and not asking price of guns that didn't sell.
At the shows I go to in the US I've seen the prices of the SVT refurbed's go from about $700 to that $900 figure mentioned and even higher especially on line, within the past 5 yrs. I figure some folks that can't get to the shows or just figure a few dollars more for one on line would probably be cheaper then travel, entrance fees, and motel and meal costs so they pay more on line but still save money.
Jim, what would a non refurbed, all matching, all original and correct excel. condt., as issued Russian one go for in Canada? Ray
Canada can still import them. The stupid a** American government has not allowed them to be imported here for a couple decades. that explains the price differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
I was not aware of that "Loophole". One of the minor problems that doesn't quite make sense to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by kar98k
The U.S. Gov't banned them from importation in 1988. Now we have a ban on all things Russian, both import and export.
I live in the states. I got a Russian refurbished one about 6-8 months ago for about 1,200 and recently a Finn capture for 900 but it is missing it's cleaning rod.
What would a non refurbed, all matching, all original and correct excel. condt. as issued Russian SVT go for in Canada? Ray
See Lever arms site(Vancouver) for prices...they have them as new. They list them as $310 I think. I've seen lots at other shops at that price too. The scoped versions were available in Edmonton at P&D for just over $400...no big thing. They all looked as new.
Original unaltered rifles will go high in both Canada and the USA. They are scarce on the ground in both places as most were rebuilt. The ones imported to the USA between 1986-88 are mostly rebuilt as are the ones currently available in Canada. I had several many years ago, probably 1990 or thereabouts.
I'm sure I wouldn't know an original Soviet from what's on the rack in Edmonton right now Brian. There aren't many that seem to care about Russian around us here...mostly just because they're cheap shooters.
The hard core collectors are out there that will pay a premium for the factory original rifles. I've never had a factory original one, just the rebuilds. Even the sniper that's here has seen rebuild at some point post war. You can only imagine the post WWII rebuild programs in Russia. They rebuilt everything. SVT 40's are fun to try. Much like the German G/K-43 rifles. They both usually need a good deal of adjusting and tweaking to shoot well. None of them can hold a candle to a good ol' U.S. Rifle Cal. .30 M1 IMHO!!
I HAVE shot the SVT. A friend in Calgary got one and had no end of trouble until I explained it had gas issues. We had no wrench and I managed to loosen and adjust things and then set it all tight again. Now it works perfectly. It was fine, but our hokey 5 rd mag law takes the fun out. If it wasn't for that, I'd have one here and a case of ammo. Maybe even one of the snipers...but as is, I'm better off with an M1 in 7.62. Which I shot two days ago...
Yes, I'm aware of the massive re-build program and discard nothing policy Russia had until a short time ago. Had we gone to war two dozen years ago...it would have been epic, the stuff we'd have seen.
What is ur price I will pay .
I like the SVT, finding them to be very straight forward and simple. The prices I've payed (here in Canada) range from $200.00 to $750.00. The $750.00 was for a probable non-refurbed example in a private sale while the $200.00 was for a nice re-furbed '41 Tula that has proven to be an excellent shooter. Typical refurbs run $300.00, including the odd Podolsk, and display quite variable quality in bore condition and fitment of the repacement stock. It appears that upon arrival at "the plant" each gun was stripped of easily removed parts (not barrels) which were then sanded or linished to remove stamped numbers. It also appears that bolts and carriers were blued in the refurb process, resulting in shades of purple to red or even bronze due to the composition of special steel used in them. Bolts/carriers/triggerguards, etc were electropencilled to match the rceeiver number during refurb. The important bolt locking insert in the receiver is similar composition and usually matches bolt/ carrier in colour. The inserts in mine vary from new looking to obviously worn but I have yet to have a headspace problem so the factories seem to have done a good job matching bolts (which have slightly different lengths) to inserts. Less satisfactory is the fit in the stock which ranges from excellent to very sloppy. Occasionally a stock may still be attached to it's original rifle but most are re-stamped or quite obviously brand new replacements. Original sniper versions received the same treatment and usually the only thing left to distinguish them is the characteristic "notch" as machined at Tula.
Judging from what I see on Gunbroker, original or non-refurbs (and Finn captures) are rarer up here than in the US and I suspect they would easily get $1,500+ if placed for sale in the open market.
Comrade Ridolpho
There are a lot for sale here in Canada; Switzer's auction sold three for 275, 400 and 400 about two weeks ago. Agree with Ridolpho's comments about condition. One can find the different variations in factory, muzzle brake design, etc. I tend to be somewhat wary of the "snipers" since while they were made up as snipers, none of them escaped refurb. As far as I'm concerned the notion of a "Factory original, non-refurb" Russian ANYTHING is a load of vegetable matter which has been predigested by a horse. It's like the folks who are advertising "non refurb" original Russian SKS's. I'm not truly sure such a thing exists.
Anyway, they may start to become somewhat more scarce here in Canada too. Apparently, further imports are not happening, either because the supply has dried up or because of political issues re Putin/Russian/Ukraine and embargoes. It does make sense that the supply will eventually dry up--they were not manufactured in the same vast quantities as Mosin Nagants, were more delicate that Mosins, and weren't produced post WWII.
Ed
I had many Russian SKS rifles after they were imported to the USA in the late 1980's. There were a few unaltered, original rifles in newish condition mixed in. I kept one made by Izhevsk with a laminated stock and hand guard. The others I acquired at the time had solid arctic beech furniture. The originals had a very nice blued finish. The majority were distinctly marked rebuilds with the phosphate and paint finish as bolt action states above. All of the SVT40 rifles I had through here were rebuilt. The only originals I've see were imported prior to 1968.
I think much of the curio and relic Russian rifle supply was coming from the Ukraine. Get one now if you want one. They ain't making them anymore.
I see quite a few factory original, non refurbed, but import marked, matching SKS's here in the states. I have a 1950 mint unfired one like that. Also there are some factory original, non refurbed, Non import stamped, matching, as issued Russian SVT's found here also. Probably came in in the 60's or were bring backs. Not many, but every once in awhile you see one for sale. They usually sell for over $2,000 plus here. I also have one of those that's why I was wondering what one like that would cost in Canada. RayQuote:
Originally Posted by boltaction
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There would be a fair bit of Non-refurbished SVT-40s here in Canada if it wasn't for a company called Globeco. Finland exported them in the 1960's and in Canada they were bought up by Globeco. What they then did as 7.62x54r was unheard of in North America at the time was convert them to .303 British (at that point a extremely common caliber in Canada and still a very common caliber to this day) by using No 1 Mk 3 barrels and drilling a hole in them for the gas port. They also modified the magazines to feed .303 British as well. Usually when you go to a gun show in Canada you will see one or two of these for sale but for the most part they are considered unsafe to shoot due to the way how they converted the SVT-40s.Quote:
Originally Posted by rayg
That's interesting, first I heard of that type of conversion to SVT's. Ray
He's right though. I'd forgotten about that.
I stand corrected! I have seen several folks here advertising "non refurb unissued Russian SKS" which on closer examination are clearly ones which have been through an overhaul before they were put in storage. I don't think I've seen a non-refurb SVT40 here for several years. I used to run across the odd one back in the 80's and early 90's, but even then most were refurb. I didn't know that the ones at that time came out of Finland in the '60's. Makes sense. The ones on the market now have all been refurbished. I just picked a couple up, 1940 and 1941 dated, in nice shape but refurbished. If I run across one in good condition that's pretty cheap I pick it up as I expect they will go up in value. Not a lot maybe and not for a while, but the investment isn't huge either!Quote:
Originally Posted by rayg
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Ed
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I sold my SVT40 with it's bayonet here in Indiana for $1100. The bayonet was crappy but rare. The Russians had so thoughtfully electro penciled all over it. If memory serves at was dated 1941 and had the AVT stock on it.