HELLO just bought my first military surplus a k11 Swiss carbine rifle . having trouble identifying year made. serial number on bolt is 8562 with a P under it.
is there also a manual on this rifle ? thank you for any help that's given . TERRY
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HELLO just bought my first military surplus a k11 Swiss carbine rifle . having trouble identifying year made. serial number on bolt is 8562 with a P under it.
is there also a manual on this rifle ? thank you for any help that's given . TERRY
Crazy, second one of these to show up this month. You do not have a K11, you have a 1889/1900 short rifle made in 1905 which may or may not have been converted to K11 "standards". I would not recommend firing GP 11 in this rifle. The bolt has locking lugs in the rear and is weaker than the actual K11 which has the locking lugs toward the middle.
See thread K11 Serial number for further discussion and details.
The P means it was sold to a civilian, probably the soldier it was originally issued to.
A book called "For Collectors Only" "Swiss Magazine Loading Rifles" should tell you just about everything you need on these.
Howdy. I'm the other fellow who just acquired a Schmidt Rubin that turned out to be a model 1889/1900 short rifle. Only mine has no P in the serial number. Can you post a pic? From info I just found on the net, apparently the bolts were not changed during the conversion but supposedly the barrels were along with the sights. This was supposed to make them up to K11 standards and able to shoot GP11 ammo but with still retaining the original rear lug bolt it makes one wonder if shooting GP11 would be a wise idea.
This may help and associated links I was reading: Schmidt-Rubin FAQ
Below is the info I found regarding the conversions which I also posted in my thread that I had going.
(quote)It was determined that the 89/96 could easily be converted (Model 1889s could not) to handle the new cartridge by re-barreling the rifle.
1889/96s were converted to 1896.11s buy replacing or modifying the following:
A new barrel was added.
Already fitted the the barrel were new front and rear sights.
A pistol grip was grafted onto the stock of the rifle.
The new rifles were also fitted with 6rd magazines, similar to the 1889/1900 pattern magazine, minus the reinforcing ridge, although the magazine did include a bolt hold-open feature for when the magazine was empty.
A new trigger-guard was fitted to accommodate the new magazine.(end of quote )
HELLO , thanks for reply . these come from CLASSIC ARMS IN NORTH CAROLINA. THEY EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SELLING OR ARE DISHONEST ? what ammo is safe to shoot out of them if gp 11 cant be used ? also how can you tell if converted for gp11 ? thank you schmidt
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hi , are these safe to shoot gp11 ? how can you tell if converted ? ill try to get a picture up. if I can figure out how to do it ? thank you schmidt
The rifles from the exterior do look like K-11's so they may not be dishonest but if your intent was to use GP11, you should contact them and correct them and possibly get your money back. There is no ammo you can purchase that is correct. You can use GP11 casings, trim they slightly and then reload them with the correct load but that's about it if you want to be "safe". I believe the correct terminology is GP90 but that isn't made anymore. GP11 will fit and can be fired but the pressure ratings are much higher than the 1889 design is listed as handling. The Swiss themselves say that GP11 is only to be used in these pre-1911 rifles in emergency wartime situations only.
I myself have not seen that the barrels being replaced would make a pressure difference although it could be slight. That leaves the bolt and the bolt's weakness is the rear locking lugs. That hasn't been changed.
As far as knowing if the barrel was replaced, I was told if it's a 3 groove barrel it has not been changed and if it is a 4 groove it has been changed. But as already mentioned, the bolt is original.
THANKS for info , I appreciate it . schmidt
Must be a great incentive to look after your rifle in the Swiss Army, in the knowledge that when you have done your time, you can take your service rifle withyou if you wish.
I'd have coursed myself to death to get all the benefits to add to it, scope etc:lol::lol:
Great for a country supposedly neutral with nothing to shoot, and Julie Andrews running all around the countryside with the Von Tropp family in tow:lol:
It should be safe for the GP-11 cartilage. The 1900 short rifle action was the 1896 model action not the 1889 (the 1896 based action is the one used for every Schmidt Rubin in GP-11 aka 7.5x55 Swiss). The locking lugs will be to the front of the bolt locking face as the only carbine the Swiss made that was not with the forward lugs was experimental ones that failed in the trials for 1893 carbine (hence why they adapted the 1893 Mannlicher). The conversion to the K1900/11 Carbine was specifically made so that carbine could shoot GP-11 so you will be good to go. Remember if it wasn't safe the Swiss didn't make it, they took every bit of pride in there work and the quality of the product being produced.
So many people get worked up over what is safe for a Swiss and what isn't, its pretty simple to figure it out. Here is a quick photo reference. If the lugs are like this, don't use GP-11 in it.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...xsqk0bhw-1.jpg
If the lugs are like this then it will be safe for GP-11.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ceuuypez-1.jpg
Hmmm, now I am puzzled. My 1900 converted rifle has the locking lugs at the rear. (There is a separate thread running on it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaglelord17
I haven't really spent any time around the 1900 carbines or the 00/11s. I was under the impression that they are made on the 1896 style action. I still stand by the above statement though, if the lugs are to the rear (first picture) I wouldn't put GP-11 through it, if they are forward more (second picture) it should be fine.
Disregard my foolishness as I must have been day dreaming. I rechecked and my lugs are at the front of the bolt.