Webely revolver??? Find at gun show

WEBELY REVOLVER FIND AT GUN SHOW. Hi guys while set up at local show wife an I bought a group of revolvers an rifles off an estate. I think this one is a mark VI. I do not have any knowledge of these revolvers. Markings are cal 38 proof's an 43 on barrel. cylinder is marked sbn.763some little mark an a 3.frame in front of cylinder looks like 38"7673.5 ton. by grip is aletter AT an 2 star'. 5 inch barrel wood grips lanyard ring on base.. Also got kommer 25 auto. rheinische 380.auto.,f.lselb.st.lader drgm380auto.. 2 sears 22 cal auto's an a h & r 20 gauge. any information you great guy's can enlighten me on i would thank you in advance.
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That's not a Webley, it's a little Enfield No2 Mk1** linished to within an inch of its little life and blued. Missing the foresight (or has that too been filed down to within an inch of its life too?). But it has had Mod3 done. The left grip cleared to allow the thumb to operate the barrel catch

f.lselb.st.lader drgm380auto

Recommend google searching for a "Langenhan F.L. Selbstlader" pistol

The "drgm" means that it is Patented/Trademarked in the German Patent Office.

THANKS guys i will correct that in my log. an yes front sight is filed way down. so is that a 38/200 which is not a 38 short right

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Originally Posted by mmppres

a 38/200 is not a 38 short

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Right.

I have a Langenhan, really like it. Your Enfield revolver appears to have some Hebrew markings on it. Nice finds!

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THANKS guys i will correct that in my log. an yes front sight is filed way down. so is that a 38/200 which is not a 38 short right

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The so-called .30-200 (actually called the "Cartridge S.A. Ball Revolver .380 inch Mark I") had a very short life: 1930 - 1938. For most of their life, British .38 revolvers used the "Cartridge S.A. Ball Revolver .380 inch Mark II/IIz", with a 178 gn. jacketed bullet. Oddly some revolvers were actually marked 38-200 long after the cartridge has been declared obsolescent. (Pistol, Revolver, .38 Smith & Wesson IIRC.)

Having said that I bought two of these last month. If I have dated the box code correctly they were made in 1962. (Kynoch made the Mk.1z for the British Government before the cartridge was ditched.) I shall soot the contents of one boxes for research purposes and keep the better looking one.

Usually I hand-load 38-200 for my .38 British service revolvers but I also use factory 38 S&W as well.

so 38 s & w is the correct ammo??

Hot blacked blued, hence the purplish colour on some parts.

all of the items i purchased including the 1000 pounds of parts are from estate of gun smith. so i believe he was re-doing alot of surplus for practice. Part i am picking rest up today from estate lawyer. Can not pass up deal for them do not know what's there yet. Cost is my time an my back to remove. side note the firearms cost me under 800.00 for all of them.

Those apparently Hebrew markings are in fact the half eliminated D/E followed by an equally half obliterated 1 and two stars

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so 38 s & w is the correct ammo??

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Yes. Both the the .380 inch Mark I/Iz and the II/IIz" were based on the .38 S&W and so one can use any of the three cartridges (.380 Mk.I, .380 Mk.II and .38 S&W) in the revolvers.

In the past, I have used all three. The .380 Mk.I is the most accurate, followed by various brands of .38 S&W. I have found the .380 Mk.IIZ round to be the least acculturate.

This one lacks the safety stop, which was eliminated on later production to simplify manufacture (and, likely, reduce cost slightly). These later guns are not dated as such although the barrel date ['43] is usually the same or close (unless they have been rebarreled).
Commercial .38 S&W cartridges will frequently shoot high, and a higher foresight is often desirable.

thanks guy's i hope to fine a sight in all the parts i got from this deal. so far i fount lots of goodies so keeping my fingers crossed. got 15. 5 gal buckets full of parts so far an 5 buckets full of wood. 3 buckest full of scope mounts an rings some still in packaging. anyone want to help with the jig saw puzzle of IDing these parts :D

Why don't you throw them up as photos for the brethren to identify. It'll work a treat AND I bet someone will need the part too!

Peter i will do just that latter today. that will be fun to see all the different answers.

hey guys i just started a new post the name is
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thanks mike

Where did you see Hebrew markings on the Enfield?
Also, that top auto with the wood grips looks all sorts of "Chinese".

the wood grip one is German marked what i found out so far. an the guys said by pistol grip area. but i think it was said that was done by buffing before re- bluing

Brown gripped autoloader appears to be native made. Dara Afganistan or Far East. I would not fire it.

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Where did you see Hebrew markings on the Enfield?

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I'm just guessing here but that remark may have been ironic.

How so?

I think the buffing wheel can do wonders on making things look different:rofl:

You lucky, lucky bast.......

Pity some poor old bloke has to pass on for the "toys" to be redistributed like that, but, as the rather cynical saying goes:

"He who dies with the most toys, is still dead".

.38-200 / Mark II/IIz is a "heavily"-loaded, fully-jacketed version of the ancient .38 Smith and Wesson, NOT to be used in the dinky Hopkins and Allen, Harrington and Richardson (and dodgy clones thereof), "pocket revolvers".

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Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz

.38-200 / Mark II/IIz is a "heavily"-loaded, fully-jacketed version of the ancient .38 Smith and Wesson, NOT to be used in the dinky Hopkins and Allen, Harrington and Richardson (and dodgy clones thereof), "pocket revolvers".

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Forgive me but .38-200 (.380 Mk.I) is not a jacketed round. (See post #7) Mk.II/IIz however is jacketed.

Readily forgiven; point taken.

"Post in haste, repent at leisure", I guess.

My point was that, just because it chambers, it may NOT be OK to pull the trigger.

What is cheerfully digested by the Enfield, may lead to "looseness" or even "disassembly without tools", of some "pocket pistols".

just think how many rifle have fallen apart because of wrong ammo.