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My IBM Korean War era M-1 carbine
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Nice rig. Nice and clean. I take it you shoot that a bit?
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Don't shoot it often but have. Think I paid around 700-800 for it. I remember at the same time I bought it Big 5 sporting goods a store in calf were selling some real beater ones and probably miss matched parts for the same price so I figured I did OK at the time.
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Have you ever broke that one down and filled out a Data Sheet? Just curious what trigger housing it ended up with. :cheers: - Bob
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When I retired from IBM (United Kingdom) I asked for an IBM M1 Carbine as my retirement gift, The HR (Human remains) department vetoed it.
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I have had tables and just attended many other shows at the Cow Palace, mostly in the 80's and 90's. After about 2002 they started to have less and less guns with more and more stuff. (jerky, candy, shirts, jewelry). Plus parking doubled. Do you remember who you bought it from?
Common mistake usually with newer guys, what you are calling clips are magazines. They did have stripper clips that could be used to load the magazines.
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Got it around 2005 there was a seller that had so many issued 1911 for sale never seen one seller with that many I bought the M-1 because it was halve the price of those 1911's that I really wanted at the time took me until last year to finely get two vintage 1911's. I am not new to fire arms in 1980 the Navy taught me about fire arms shot every thing from the M-14 to M-16 to Remington 870's to 1911,sig 9 mm , Berretta 9 mm to the M-60 to the 50 cal. even a 60mm Mk 4 Mod 0 naval mortar the Navy had a weird one drop fire or trigger fire it was on a mount and the M-79 grenade launcher and MK-19 grenade launcher and the 203 grenade launcher attached to the M-16 . Got to shoot the saw M249 machine gun at camp Pendleton when I did a combat skill course in 2002 I guess the M-60 history now. I just call them clip or mag been told that before.
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I also shot a lot of different weapons during my tours. Loved the .50's the M-16 was new out with problems. Never did like the M-14. The M-79 beside being effective for what it was intended for, was fun to shoot, the ammo was just too darn heavy. The M-60 was a great machine gun with belt feed .308 ammo, but other then movies it needed more then one person. Always had a liking of the BAR. One man, magazine fed. But again, you could only carry so many magazines. One thing pretty much went along with all those rifles. You also carried a 1911. More fun looking back then at the time.
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Love the BAR, enjoyed coming to the US forts and doing a weapons swap. One was in Pendleton in about '94. We shot the USMC tools and they shot our FNs . Most thought they were too heavy...
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JimF4M1s
Common mistake usually with newer guys, what you are calling clips are magazines.
"Clip" is a common euphemism for magazine in the US but getting less so? I wonder if it dates from WWII use of the M1 Garand, with its en-bloc clip, rather than a detachable magazine.
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Beerhunter
"Clip" is a common euphemism
It's more a slang term used by the uneducated towards parts names. It will always probably be used because of things like "World of Warcraft" and such games that use incorrect speak to make things sound salty and professional.
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Some use the term clips. I tend to see it used more often by non gun enthusiasts.
Euphemism is a word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing. Personally I see nothing harsh, blunt, unpleasant or embarrassing about the word magazine. It is just one of the many misused gun terms. There was an article in the July 2014 Guns & Ammo mentioning this and others. From that article.
Clip vs. Magazine
You know that boxy rectangular thingy that holds cartridges and slides into the bottom of your semi-auto pistol? It’s not a clip — no matter how often the term is misused. It’s a magazine.
A magazine holds shells under spring pressure in preparation for feeding into the firearm’s chamber. Examples include box, tubular, drum and rotary magazines. Some are fixed to the firearm while others are removable.
A cartridge “clip” has no spring and does not feed shells directly into the chamber. Rather, clips hold cartridges in the correct sequence for “charging” a specific firearm’s magazine. Stripper clips allow rounds to be “stripped” into the magazine. Other types are fed along with the shells into the magazine — the M1 Garand famously operates in this fashion. Once all rounds have been fired, the clip is ejected or otherwise released from the firearm.
In essence, clips feed magazines. Magazines feed firearms.
Another's that makes me smile are:
Assault Rifle.
Some think AR as in AR15 means Assault Rifle. When it actually refers to ArmaLite, after the company that developed it in the late 1950’s.
Cartridge vs. Bullet.
How often do you hear some say they bought a box of bullets instead of cartridges.
There are many others. I was horrible in my English class in school. But whether considered a euphemism, slang, or common term, in my opinion they are not used correctly.
Boy did I digress from our topic, sorry.
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JimF4M1s
I tend to see it used more often by non gun enthusiasts.
Exactly what I meant.
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JimF4M1s
A magazine holds shells under spring pressure in preparation for feeding into the firearm’s chamber.
I would disagree with the use of the word"shell", that is used extensively in American English,for cartridge. A shell is an artillery projectile that goes bang.
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Shells? let's go to the beach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Magazines? Playboy perhaps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clip? Holds paper together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey RR, good to see you made it to the carbine forum. It's DaveH from the MWR.
Folks, I'll vouch for this guy, he's good to go. Interesting guy and Navy vet. Nice carbine, very nice.
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Good to see you over here Dave also.
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shadycon
Shells? let's go to the beach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Magazines? Playboy perhaps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clip? Holds paper together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't want sand in my shotgun!
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fn111557
I don't want sand in my shotgun!
Funny you said that. Once I had sand put in the breech of a M-16 to teach me a lesson to keep this weapon glued to my body a lesson I never forgot. Dam it was a bummer to clean.
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Originally Posted by
Beerhunter
"Clip" is a common euphemism for magazine in the US but getting less so? I wonder if it dates from WWII use of the M1 Garand, with its en-bloc clip, rather than a detachable magazine.
Had not thought about it that way , but you may be onto something.
How many rifles are fed by a clip ( in this case an eight rounder ) into a magazine of smaller capacity ( in this case seven rounds ) .
Also the magazine is usually defined as having a follower and a spring to feed the rounds up and into the gun . Does this mean that the Garand mainspring is part of the magazine ? If so , what about the op-rod ? It holds the magizine spring so is it part of the magazine ?
Chris
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At fun shows, some astute buyers and sellers still call them "clips" in the heat of discussion. When they have time to measure their usage they use "mag" or magazine". Just something I've noticed.
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When I was little (in the 50s) my dad who served on Iwo Jima called them "clips" he carried a 1911 and an Inland M1 Carbine. His brothers, Marines in the PTO also, called them "clips." Until 1941 when the Carbine came out, all rifles (except BAR) were "clip" fed. Through the Korean war rifle ammo was still fed in clips. A girl I dated when I was 16, her dad had been a grunt in the ETO. He talked about clearing houses in villages witha 1911 and a pocket full of clips. I think that generation all said "clips" for carbine mags. Just my thoughts.
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I agree with what Imarangemaster says. I never was chewed out in the Army for calling them clips and I had dozens of them. Now calling your rifle a "Gun" was a no-no. You just got into the habit of calling it your weapon; my weapon, your weapon etc. "Get your weapon". Just about half (By my estimation) of the guys I met in the Army knew absolutely nothing about weapons and had never shot anything in their lives. There were a few of us kids from N. Cal, Washington, Oregon and the Dakotas that were raised as hunters and shooters, we knew as much when we walked in the door as the Army taught us. We were the guys getting the Expert badges. Clips, smips, zips, who cares? The guys from NYC and Chicago learned fast when we were over there, but they didn't love weapons like we shooters.
