SARCO HAS CETME L KITS
I am curious about these and the possability of building a semi. Any thoughts? Nice looking weapon a little AR18 /G3ish . 5.56 & takes standard AR mags.
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/spanish-ce...condition.aspx
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SARCO HAS CETME L KITS
I am curious about these and the possability of building a semi. Any thoughts? Nice looking weapon a little AR18 /G3ish . 5.56 & takes standard AR mags.
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/spanish-ce...condition.aspx
If that’s what you’re into, I say go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY
Depends on the availability of barrels and receivers and cost.
Sarco & Apex have flats & barrels in the works. I hope someone picks up the kits & converts the as they did with the Suomi M31 as I think tooling up to build 1 would not be very econimical.
Ask & you shall recieve. HMGâ„¢ CETME L (Fall/winter 2015) | Hill Mac Gunworks
The trouble with these is you don't know exactly what you are getting into. Will the semi-auto receiver work with the parts kit? I never got a soumi because of that uncertainty and looking into them, it's quite an ordeal to get them to function. A soumi kit would end up as a wall hanger with jb weld with all the additional stuff needed for it and I'm not that bad with guns.
The Soumi is a pretty easy build compared to a Cetme. The problem is getting the Cetme receiver right. Some people bend the flats over a round bar, but you really need a good bending jig and a press to do it right. I haven't looked to see if anyone is selling 922(r) parts for the L.
If you are going to buy the gun, you might consider getting a parts kit now. Once they dry up there will be no spare parts available.
You built a Soumi? If it's doable, I'd like to do it but my investigations seemed to indicate it was a major deal. Kits still available for a bit over $100. They sell what they claim to be complete receivers for under $200 so it would be a bit over $300 for a complete rifle if that's all you need.
No I bought one of the TNW ones just before they were gone. In my nonexpert opinion Vincent is correct the Suomi is much more shade tree gunsmith friendly than the CETME L. Compliant parts,semi FCG,sheet metal reciever all put it beyond my ability. The CETME L sure looks interesting however.
Yes, sort of. I used two parts kits and got the other parts here HellBox Armory: Suomi M-31/ KP-31 and some from other guys on Weapons Guild. I just welded it together.
You can find everything you need to know about building a Suomi on weaponsguild.com.
There are a couple of TNW complete receivers on GunBroker.com right now.
No luck getting into weaponsguild. I'd try it if I thought I had a reasonable chance of success. If I get a kit with a cut receiver and a complete receiver, is that all I need or will I need tools, machining, more parts, etc?
You will have to modify the bolt and FCG to semi auto only. The barrel will need a tube welded to it to make it over 16" or you will have to SBR it ($200 tax stamp). IIRC, a US made trigger, sear and discon are needed for 922(r).
What are the legalities of this. I read one guy say it's a serious offense yet most others say its fine but there is some sort of block which must be welded in place. I personally don't have the skills to weld it together but could probably find someone who could. They sell jigs but they are almost as much as a new receiver if they are in stock. I watched a demilled one sell on Gunbroker today for $325 that looked pretty nice. Since I put on displays, something like that would be fine for me. Said he removed the sear and drilled out the firing pin. Doesn't seem like that would be enough to me, original receiver as far as I could tell. Looked like the weld marks were slightly different color.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
I am not a lawyer and I don’t give legal advice. You should check the US laws and the laws for your State. What’s legal in Texas might not be in another state.
The ATF site has a lot of good information like this https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download
The HellBox receiver tube I got has a reduced ID (inside diameter), so an unaltered full-auto bolt will not fit into it. I have seen TNW receivers that are also reduced ID. I don’t know if the one on GB is.Quote:
9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for resale?
Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18 U.S.C. § 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).
A blocking bar or blocking pins is another option to the reduced ID receiver. It needs to made so it cannot be converted easily to full-auto.
Another requirement is the gun has to be semi-auto only and fire from a closed bolt. That means the bolt had to be converted to take a semi-auto firing pin. The Suomi bolts are very hard and have to be annealed (softened) before they can be modified to semi-auto. I bought a bolt that was already modified to semi-auto and turned down to fit the reduced receiver tube.
It must also comply with 922(r).
It must have a 16” or longer barrel, or you can get a tax stamp for an SBR ($200 to the ATF). Most people weld a tube onto the barrel to make it over 16”.
The FCG must be semi-auto only.
I gathered all the semi-auto parts up because I didn’t have a lathe or milling machine at the time. I used a Dremel tool to cut the ports in the HB tube and welded FCG side plates, mag well to the tube.
As long as you follow the laws it’s legal to build your own guns here in Texas. I don’t know about your State.
There are thousands of gun builds on Weapons Guild. There is also a section for legal questions. There are vendors who sell the parts needed to make semi-auto a Suomi and there is a section specifically for Suomi builds. It is the best resource I know of if you want to put a Suomi together. I think you have to register before you can enter the forums.
The TNW Suomis come up on the auction sites if you just want to buy one. They have an extended barrel shroud that makes it even heavier.
I can't access Weapons Guild, something is messed up with their application process. You can build your own guns in PA so that's not an issue. I'd like to get a new bolt but can't find one for sale anywhere. Receivers are available and I'm tempted to get one and set it aside.
IIRC, I got the bolt from Greg Clark or had him do the mod. It has been several years. He has a Suomi build CD and his email is at the bottom of the page - http://www.gunbuilds.com/cd.html
He can probably help you get registered on Weapons Guild too.