Putting the M1 Carbine in the Right Context | Shooters Journal
Shooters Journal- Would like to share this to all who have not seen it, but I'm sure a lot of people here already know about it.
Frank
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Putting the M1 Carbine in the Right Context | Shooters Journal
Shooters Journal- Would like to share this to all who have not seen it, but I'm sure a lot of people here already know about it.
Frank
Nice article!
Russ
I just bought a Box of Ammo the gunsmith recommended for the M1 Carbine. At my Ranch I have Hogs Everywhere. I cant't wait to try them out. There expensive though 100 gr. Hollow Points. Velocity 2025 fps - 911 ft/lbs they ought to work just fine.
Frank
I like the article, EXCEPT he compares the 30 carbine to a 357 magnum. A 30 carbine still has more energy at 100 yards than the average .357 magnum load does at the muzzle. Hornady 110 Critical defense moves at about 2000fps and it absolutely devastating. I am thinking of getting a couple boxes and loading out the carbine with them for my house weapon. Also, Speer Gold dot 100s are pretty darn good, too. Even the venerable Remington 110 JSPs I've used to kill deer well at 100 yards.
Hornady Critical defense. Wound channel like a 30-30!
Critical Defense® 30 Carbine from Hornady® - YouTube
I'm just starting to get books, videos and magazines. I should have my Dillon real soon. So there is so much I've been reading and found a person here in my town that's willing to show and help me out. I want to get into reloading real bad. I've been reading a lot of old posts about reloading. I know it takes awhile to learn, but it should be fun and to me it will be a great hobby to make my own reloads.
Tangential to current thread, but this period video in the MKL is interesting in showing the effects of various WWII U.S. weaponry...
Infantry Weapons and their Effects (WWII and Korean era U.S. Training Films)
Regards,
Doug
Here's an interesting clip from a "Weaponolgy" episode about French Foreign Legion weapons. They shoot clay blocks with the M1 Carbine and surprise the shooter, who had previously referred to the M1 Carbine round as a "pistol round!" It starts at about minute 5.0+.
Weaponology French Foreign Legion 4 - YouTube
Cool vid. Now make it a semi-jacketed hollow point and imagine what happens. I had a case of these made many years ago when I thought I would have a tactical use for the carbine, which became too valuable over the years to use in that capacity. But I still have the ammo, which was made by the best loader there ever was in the area. Speer #1835 110 gr HP in Nickel brass.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../M1Cara1-1.jpg
I got started loading for the carbine in the late 80's with one of those Lee Loaders and that's the first bullet I tried. Over 15.0gr W296 it made a fine deer or small/medium pig hunting load and will normally leave an exit wound about the size of a 50 cent piece. I've lost count of the critters I've taken with the little .30 carbine since getting my first one in 1988. A conservative guess would be at least 50-60 head of deer and hogs, then there's the smaller stuff from coons down to squirrels. Got an uppity bass with it once after it turned it's nose up at every lure I had in the tackle box. Fried bass nuggets, Mmmm.
Then there's the 50 pound alligator turtle I got one hot summer day whilst trying to ambush some pigs out for their daily roll in the mud hole, the one and only otter I've ever shot, quite a few beavers that were plugging up drain pipes or tunneling into pond dams and no telling how many water moccasins along the way.
I killed a 200 pound Blacktail deer at 100 yards (97 long paces) with a single shot from my carbine. It was a heart-lung shot. Sprang 30 yards and dropped dead right there. Exit wound was big enough to scrunch my thumb and four fingers into. IIRC, it was a 110 R-P JSP, or possibly a WW 110 JHP. I used both then, but the HPs were finicky about feeding. The heart was devastated. I really appreciated it as a LEO trunk weapon after that!
Nice shot and kill. I been using S & B FMJ 110 gr. on those Hogs dropping several while only losing just 2. I also have some traps, but need a couple of people to help empty them. Those *astards will hurt you. I've been hunting Whitetail Deer there all my life and now it's both. Those Hogs are there daily I don't care what day you go you will get some. They have literally destroyed several feeders and tear there way into the Storage. I can't even plant oats to sale anymore cause they will destroy the field in one night. I'm definitely taking those DTX when I get out there again just to see what that projectile will do. We built (with help) a 3 room and kitchen with cinder blocks and it's been there for almost 20 years now. It's ironic my place is in Jim Hogg County, but very lucky it's a couple of miles South East of the 22,000 acre Jones Game Ranch. I've invited Jim (BAR) to come I have some firearms that could use some upgrading. The only thing I don't do no more in the Summer is clean them. There full of fleas and ticks. I drive into town and there always someone there willing to do that for 20 bucks.
Frank
I hope somebody makes an interesting gun that uses .30 Carbine. Olympic made an AR chambered for it but it didn't sell - I wish I had known about that. I would make a SBR out of it.
Making a .30 carbine AR wouldn't be hard. Olympic had barrel blanks there in stock and the rifling machines had boxes of blanks at the end of each. You could get a blank done and go ahead with it...even if you just started with a rifled blank and went from there...wouldn't be hard. Did we find it used standard mags? I know we discussed this before...
Matter of fact, here's a thread from outside that shows you some pics. OA2.org View topic - Oly 30 carbine rifle
If im not mistaken i think they only made 100 of these in 2000 or 2002 and only 50 were sold to the public. I have a friend who retired from the Air Force who had one and when he tried to sale the rifle it took him awhile. The only reason i remembered now was he use to say he wished he never sold it. If this is true where did the other 50 go. It's crazy cause when i offered to buy one of his M1 Carbines when i got bit the Carbine bug he use to tell me the story about his until i just read Inland44 post.
Don't know how many they made, I'd start from scratch. Don't think it would be that hard, the AR is very forgiving. Look at how many calibers it's in now.
I've heard arguments pro and con about hunting with 30 cal carbine. I've never hunted with it but I think you should be able to drop most N American game. As with all methods of hunting, it's all about shot placement and I'm sure you're very accurate and know where the kill zone is imarangemaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by imarangemaster
I bet it would be a blast pig hunting with a carbine. Pigs have about taken over here in Texas.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...kzlzekd6-1.jpg
Looks like BBQ in the making...
Nice Hog....I like to hear the Story.
My favorite M1 carbine picture!
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Me too! I may be a pretty fair rifleman, but I can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bow and arrow, even 15 yards away.Quote:
Originally Posted by imntxs564
When I was a young buck in the early 1970s, I did a LOT of pig hunting (mostly Black Russians and Russian/feral cross) in California in the Los Padres National Forest and the Salinas Valley where the pigs come down from the hills and destroy crops. I used a No 4 Mk I sporterized .303 British with Federals now extinct 215 grain load. Towards the end, I switched to a Ruger 44 Mag Carbine loaded with Norma 240 grain rifle rounds. That little Ruger 44 Carbine was a pig thumping SOB! I wish I still had it.
The Hornady rounds are good, but a little on the hot side (this is not a complaint). They seem to work fine in my carbines, but I have problems with cases sticking in my .30C Ruger Blackhawk, in spite of the nickel plating. Generally don't have that problem with other commercial ammo.
I'll bet that's just a pressure thing. Those are like firing a stick of dynamite in my opinion and past experience. Kind of like a hand held anti-tank gun...with that flash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizzouboy
I had the same problem with an early Ruger 44 Mag super Blackhawk. Their chambers are slightly rough, and hot 44 mag loads stuck the cases.
I haven't had an issue with my three screw Ruger, but my AMT automag has had some failures to extract.
Just a thought; Here's a pic of my Automag III in action. I carry this with me while hunting with my I.B.M. carbine. So far I have tried it out with LC, Aguila, and Hornady C.D. with no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by INLAND44
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...TOMAGIII-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...RAGDOR_1-1.jpg
Like I said, flash like and anti tank gun...
Same flash with the Ruger. Fun to shoot, in the day time.