a treatise on lee enfield scope cases?

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08-26-2015, 08:10 AM
henry r

a treatise on lee enfield scope cases?

any chance of the knowlegable types here writing a treatese on lee enfield scope cases?

i'll start with a few so you guy have something to expand on and add the who, where, when details too.

Case for Periscopic Prism Co. scope for WW1 SMLE
pic from lugerfan
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC_3656-1.jpg

Case for Aldis scope from WW1 SMLE

pic from husk
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....1&d=1369883461

Case for Winchester A5 scope on WW1 SMLE

pic from badger
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...20_Medium_.JPG

No8 Mk1. scope case (square corner) for No4 mk1 T. No.32 scope.

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Originally Posted by OxfordAndy

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...Wj2dsw_3-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...BMMoZz26-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...oZORCg_3-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...obUbfpw_-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...MoYLugFw-1.jpg

No8 Mk1. scope case for No4 mk1 T. No.32 scope and for L42A1 rifle/scope.

pics from badger.

https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....2&d=1374406882

https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....4&d=1374406889

https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....9&d=1374406910

No8 Mk1 (Case No18 Mk1). scope case for Longbranch No4 mk1 T with Lyman Alaskan scope.

could one of the moderators please insert the scope case pics from here: 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle - Milsurps.Com SHOP

No8 Mk2. scope case for No4 mk1 T. No.32 scope.
from the net:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...PIC_0001-1.jpg
pics from Amatikulu
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....6&d=1364353509
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....7&d=1364353513

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Originally Posted by Terrylee

https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....2&d=1417465992
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....3&d=1417466017

Case for Pattern 1918 scope on a Lithgow No1 Mk3 HT
from the net.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...B1F36C80-1.jpg
pics from jb303's gallery
https://www.milsurps.com/vbpgimage.p...1&d=1405138686
https://www.milsurps.com/vbpgimage.p...3&d=1405138742
https://www.milsurps.com/vbpgimage.p...5&d=1405138836
08-26-2015, 10:07 AM
Promo

Very good topic! I often searched for those aswell, thank you for starting it!

I have something to share which is missing so far, a scope can for the Evans Double Claw scope (and yes, I also have the matching scope to it):
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../evans08-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../evans09-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../evans10-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../evans11-1.jpg
(and Doug, if you read that - can you please save those pictures to your server? The pictures are mine, so no worries regarding copyright)
08-26-2015, 10:44 AM
Badger

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry r

any chance of the knowlegable types here writing a treatese on lee enfield scope cases?

Capt. Peter Laidler is the senior Armourer in the UK Military, now retired, but based as a Technical Officer at the UK Military Small Arms School. In addition to being a trained and highly experienced military "Armourer", he has authored two excellent books about the No.4(T) sniper rifles and their No.32 scopes. They are titled "An Armourer's Perspective: .303 No.4(T) Sniper Rifle", which he co-authored with Ian Skennerton and his own dedicated work, "Telescope Sighting No.32".

If you're really interested in some in-depth learning about the No.4(T) sniper rifles and the No.32 series of scopes, their history, evolution, repair and adjustments for shooting, I'd highly recommend those two books, which are pictured below.

http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...Laidler-HC.jpg(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...32-Laidler.jpg
08-26-2015, 11:10 AM
Sniper1944

The No.8 MKII case with scope No.20874 is a photograph of my example.

Paul.
08-26-2015, 04:35 PM
breakeyp

Peter Laidler wrote a small monograph on scope cans many years ago. Perhaps he can expand on it???
08-26-2015, 05:04 PM
rayg

Henry R I think you should write the treatise on lee enfield scope cases? It seems you have them all. Great collection, Ray
08-26-2015, 06:01 PM
henry r

i wish ray, they are pics off here or the net.

i just want to learn about them.

thanks promo, exactly what i was hoping for.
08-27-2015, 06:05 AM
rayg

Oops sorry... just saw the small print. :bash: Ray
08-27-2015, 08:31 PM
Warren

5 Attachment(s)

A few not commonly seen:
Canadian REL canvas case with rubber bottom
regular Canadian can
As well as two Canadian 1943 cans with different markings....
Plus below is the Canadian universal can for the 32, 32TP and also used for the 67 (Mk. IV)
Attachment 64956
09-04-2015, 12:43 AM
Surpmil

Do you have the complete rifle number from this case? It appears to be a "trials rifle" serial number "A169?"

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...obUbfpw_-1.jpg
09-04-2015, 05:13 AM
Promo

Just follow the link atop of the pictures of this scope can, it leads here: No 8 Mk1 Carry Tin

You'd be amazed that you asked the owner the same question originally in his thread ;)
09-04-2015, 10:05 AM
Peter Laidler

Re Pauls Q in thread 5. I did so a small paper on the scope cans but it was only after doing a bit of research after the equipment manager gave me the list of post war suppliers of the tins. Pressed Sheet Metal Work (PSMW) at Swindon was one. They were big pressed sheet fabricators to the UK Post Office based in Swindon, Bird and Tole from near Aylesbury sub contracted to someone else and another outfit somewhere else...........
09-05-2015, 06:23 AM
desperatedan

Canadian REL Mk1 1943

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/v8d28p-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2my172f-1.jpg
09-05-2015, 09:21 AM
henry r

what is the tool in the bottom?

is that an original canadian mount? it certainly looks different to the original english ones and the american repro's.
09-05-2015, 01:22 PM
desperatedan

Henry

I believe that the tool is part of the set for adjusting the MK1 scope. The tool has claws to grip the turret while the inner (raised part in the picture) is slotted to hold the lead screw in place. As hopefully you can see from the picture the tin has an internal bracket and clip to hold the tool.

Yes the mount is an original Canadian one - you can just see a C with inner broad arrow near the front screw - and the scope is an REL MK1.

Kev
09-05-2015, 01:31 PM
Peter Laidler

That horrendous tool came with a key that you ain't got. In fact, that unwieldly simplified tool was even more complicated than the complicated and unwieldly tool it was meant to replace!
09-06-2015, 01:21 AM
Surpmil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Laidler

That horrendous tool came with a key that you ain't got. In fact, that unwieldly simplified tool was even more complicated than the complicated and unwieldly tool it was meant to replace!

It was the best attempt made to overcome the inherent defect in the scope design of a turning leadscrew supposedly being locking in place without the slightest movement(!) by the compression of the locking ring turning down against it.

If anyone doesn't know, that "U" shaped bit on the "pliers" was slotted on the end to hold the lead screw stationary while the locking ring was loosened or tightened with the missing stud wrench that was kept in the spring clip on the case lid. Of course there was no tool that could be designed to then hold the lead screw perfectly still while the drum was rotated to the correct range or deflection marking.

Little idiocies like that were why many soldiers in WWII habitually believed Jerry had better equipment.

Though in fact, the No32 had some advantages the German scopes did not: adjustment detents you could feel and hear as well as see, and markings you could read while in a firing position, almost.

"Not all who wander are lost"! ;)
09-06-2015, 06:05 AM
Peter Laidler

There was a FAR better method that didn't need any tools Rob. But the tools were part of the kit and like Armourers tools, you were taught how to use them while in training until you got into the real world. And then you used/made/copied/adapted the tools that your elders had used/made/copied/adapted/been using successfully for years.

Regarding the clicks part of the range drum. On the No4 and L42 sniper courses, the snipers learned by heart the number of clicks between ranges PLUS the number of clicks on their particular telescope between the end stop and the 0 mark. So that even in a dark hide against a known or estimated target range, they could set the sights. And guess what.......... During the course they'd be set JUST such a task and during the stalk, when you couldn't read the scale, the actual target range would change. When they'd done all their click adjustments by feel the DS would look at the scale reading. This way the DS would know if they'd learned and memorised what they'd learned!