Found this yesterday on a scrounge at the local GS I know its a Munitions Welshpool in W.A but of interest is the roll crimp and not the usual Stab crimp any info would be appreciated. TIA
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Found this yesterday on a scrounge at the local GS I know its a Munitions Welshpool in W.A but of interest is the roll crimp and not the usual Stab crimp any info would be appreciated. TIA
Possibly Looks like the bullet has been pulled and replaced.
That's what I thought. Looks like the shoulder has been slightly compressed by a crimp too tight and pushes the bullet and shoulder down a bit...
Just looked at my collection and my 1943 MW has the same crimp
Dick
I have to agree with Jim. It might be the photo but the shoulder does look like it's been set back some. Doesn't quite look like a normal .303 taper or shoulder to me.
And the ring crimp around the bullet IS different, just the cartridge looks to have been tampered with.
Somewhere in the back of my mind I have read something about this type of roll crimp had a quick look at Temples book and others that I have but no luck think I need a Treatise on the 303 round if here is such a beast Aussie48 can you post a pic of your round and we can compare the 2.
I sure wouldn't try to shoot that. I don't like the looks of it.
I had a look at some MW 1957's and another box of MW 1945's and they all had that type of crimp, funny thing is the 1957's were right at the end of the case neck and I cannot fathom the reason anyway it is what it is, joem the Munitions Welshpool (From Western Australia) do not get fired they are to collectible and the round pictured though tarnished has not been tampered with. 303 chambers vary a fair bit and it is pretty rare to find a really really tight one. I have heard the 42 MW's are the ones to get pretty rare apparently from my collecting mates information.
Are you sure you looked at a MW 1957?
Not only am I going deaf but blind as well the crimp is still the same but it should be MF (Footscray) and 56
I thought so, MW 57 would indeed be a rare bird considering the joint closed in 45! I'll check some bandoliers and open packets and see what turns up crimp wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
I had a look at the motley 32 rounder packet today and just found a few dates most are singles though the 28's there were 4 of but besides those some others were; a 6/27, '33, '37, '39, '58, '59 and a few others plus a '62 as mentioned earlier so what are considered the rare dates for MF and what date did they change from VII to 7 on the base Thanks as always with the information
Hardest year would have to be 1931, followed by 1933 and 1934. There are some gaps in the headstamps with 1915,1918, 1919, 1921 and 22 having two or three month periods with no known examples, not to say they were not made and shipped some where. Make a nice display to have every month/year of Australian production, i.e.; CAC, MF, ^F, A^F etc, probably never happen !
7 does not appear until after 1945 in Aust production, i can't find my list of post 1945 at the moment, but ill confirm the date when i find it.
When Tony Edwards was still with us i traded him quiet a few scarce dates he had never seen in the UK, great days now sadly passed.
The answer to the crimping question is in the answer below. Therefore the case at the start of this thread that I questioned is not dodgy nor been tampered with but part of a process evolution. Excuse the pic I had to use the computer and take the pic with my I-phone but it clearly shows the change as highlighted by the arrows.
Cheers
"Changes to .303 projectile material and crimping: from top cupronickel with neck staking into low cannelure phased out in 1942 to be replaced by gilding metal neck staking which was in turn replaced by mouth coning into a high cannelure in 1944 which continued until cessation of production. The mouth coning of the cupronickel projectile (second from bottom) in 1944 was to use residual ‘surplus’ cupronickel stock."
Thanks mike1967 here is what I found for the low years of production for Mk VII .303 Ball;
1925 - 26/ 2,799,360
1930 - 31/ 3,947,587
1930 - 32/ 3,163,856
1932 - 33/ 2,511,056
1933 - 34/ 3,187,152
Excellent, Where did you source those figures? Wouldn't mind the complete list.