20mm Oerlikon

Just taken this in to the fold bit of info for you the projie fuse cap has MK - 26 - 1 RM and what appears to be a small doughnut after the M, though it has been marred so cannot really tell, also the projectile body has 4 - 26 D (Denver or Dummy?) 9 - 42 (which I gather is the DOM of the projectiles body).

The base pic has a monogram but which maker is this one, I also have another 20mm prac base marked 43 NECO M21A1B1 with a steel case and steel projie marked FSP LOT 9829 - 15 9-42 with the copper driving band which was often removed from surplus ordnance after the war due to the copper shortages.
Any information you can give is always appreciated by me. Thank you

Too bad about the holes. I've always preferred live...sometimes that's not feasible. I was lucky and was given a live 25mm bushmaster from Afghanistan that came home in a tac load vest pocket. Cleared the guns after a practice and the bags were gone so into the pocket. It's a practice blue projectile. Very nice piece...and a spent 12.7mm Russian projectile from out in the area from back in the Russian attempt back in ...'78?

Very nice ones Jim the Mills 36's are now going for $450/AU over here when you can get them and the grenade launching base plates for about $150-200/AU I was lucky in assembling my 36 over a period of time and by pure ring the base plate is the same YOM as the grenade how flukey. Oh yes! and one more thing I was given 2 WWI cases one a Dusseldorf and another non descript just dated and have never really taken much notice however the other day I was looking at their bases and what do you know the Dusseldorf is 1914 and the other is 1918 that sorta sat me back a bit pure a*se there

That's just an off hand pic of the stuff still out. I had to put my collection away years ago because people couldn't keep their hands off. Kind of inconvenient to get at. This time I had to take a pic though...maybe I should do some close ups...

The other hard part is keeping them like you said untouched and having to dust them and around where they sit a right pain in the primer

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Originally Posted by CINDERS

having to dust them and around where they sit

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Yup. Try the little Swiffer dusters. But it won't help with the small ones. Just the larger...

Still would like to now the manufacturer of the shell going by the motif on the base TIA

Well, perhaps it's Birmingham Metal and Munitions Co. Ltd., Birmingham, UK...? My list doesn't specify what calibers are involved... It sort of makes sense to me though.

Headstamp Codes - International Ammunition Association

Here's another site that says the same way down at the bottom. Have a good read here... Uscenter

Found this as well for the forumers to use;

UNITED STATES BULLET TIP CODE

Red Tip - Tracer

Red Tip over silver ring - Armour piercing/incendiary/tracer

Yellow tip over red ring - Observation/tracer

Green tip with white ring - Frangible ball

Brown tip - Tracer

Light blue tip - Incendiary

Light blue tip over dark blue ring - Incendiary

Black tip - Armour piercing

Silver tip - Armour piercing/ incendiary

Yellow tip - Observation

Orange tip - Dark ignition tracer

Red/black tip - Experimental armour piercing

Black/white tip - Experimental armour piercing

Silver/black tip - Experimental armour piercing

Blue/black tip - Armour piercing/ incendiary

Green tip - Explosive

Yellow/blue tip - Explosive

Ivory tip - Experimental tracer

Green/black tip - Experimental armour piercing/ lachrymatory = a chemical substance that causes the shedding of tears, as tear gas.

Red/white tip - Experimental frangible tracer

Red/tan tip - Experimental frangible tracer

Light green tip - High Explosive

Purple tip - Incendiary

I have another from 1942 which is a K2 but of interest is the projectile in the pics you can tell the tip is of a different material than the projectile body sort of a bluey tinge to it and smoother. The tip has also suffered less from the oxidation process that has the body also there is a join between the two. What ever definitive markings it may have had seem to have disappeared along with the driving band. The closest I can seem to get on investigation was it may have been blue and designated SAIP - Semi armor piercing incendiary projectile any thoughts

You figure the tip is tungsten? I know my 20mm has an aluminum tip, you can see the dent in it. That's because it was fired. Yours may be harder material and the tungsten penetrators from .50 cal could lay out all winter and not take rust. The normal ball penetrators were mild steel and would be a ball of rust...

thanks for the informitave posts gents.

today i was in a customers house when i turned around and there was a no36 mills. :D

sometimes i wonder how i have gotten so stupid in my old age (the fact that i made it to 40 says i couldn't have always been this dumb). darwin's theory says you don't say "gee, i hope this thing isn't live" as you pick up a vintage grenade.

it has been a bone of contention in thier family if it was safe or not, so they were rather pleased when i told them it the whole firing mech had been removed. i couldn't tell if there was any explosive in it as i didn't take the filler cap out. for you geeky types the body has a casting mark possibly JP#? the bottom cap was a cast pale metal with a 1941 date and the fuse tube thingy was aluminium looking material. it had the remains of a tropical red x on it.

the husband came in, saw me looking at it and said "do you want it". of course i said "yes, but i couldn't take it, you know these are worth 3 to 500 dollars... so, do you still want to offer it" it is always fun to watch peoples faces when you do that. :D :D :D no it is still in thier house.

they were rather surprised that the blokes delivering thier washing machine, could name it as a no36 mills grenade (they didn't know), tell, explain why (me) and confirm (my colleague was in the reserves for 5 years) it wouldn't go bang if the pin was pulled. plus were so excited to see it.

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a no36

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I had one of mine appear in a shoebox of mostly empty cartridges... Some live but mostly salvage. The collectings of a kid from somewhere and as a man he gave me two boxes to get rid of. Nice...now I have two with all the bits.

One odd ball the Brixa missed a complete (inert) one with the fuse in it the price just went past what I deemed reasonable, mine has the frag coils but no fuse all are inert, henryr hopefully the 36 you looked at appeared like the 2nd picture with nothing in there

Here's the markings on mine, plus I have the dummy fuze set. Kind of had to find around here. First three pics are one, second three are the other.

Let me see the fuse would look good in mine and the spoon is better than mine hhhhmmmmm things are affoot Moriarty:rolleyes:

You're a hard put and desperate man "Josey Wales"... Yes, those are hard to find bits now.

You need a base plate then the discharge cup Jim, I found a cup at a good price but getting into Australia would be a nightmare in-fact it probably would be confiscated at the border so no go have to wait again till one comes up for sale here

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"Josey Wales"...

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Quite a character!

all good cinders, there was no plunger, spring or fuse.

i'm pretty sure that cup thingy you want is actually spare part for a vw generator set.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...0/891934-1.jpg

edit: or perhaps it is the factory tool for removing the guts of the governer and for aligning it during reassembly... ?

gearbox tools?

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...0/530110-1.jpg